Do pickups matter for high gain tone?

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Re: Do pickups matter for high gain tone?

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Danger Mouse wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 10:29 am
jeremyb wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 10:19 am
Danger Mouse wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 10:06 am

I got pretty close to that Exhorder tone with a 5150 block letter and a cocked wah, but I'm a metalhead of the 80's and early 90's so I have no idea what mids are :lol:

Apart from the fact you made me listen to Trivium, I really like that guitar tone and by the sounds for the reasons you don't. I also note that this discussion is effectively disproving Glenn's video.
Next you'll be telling us that dimebag had great toan!
Oh I think he had awesome tone. Not because it's the best tone ever, but it has a pick attack and "chunk" to it that didn't exist back in the CFH and VDoP days with the typical amps used for metal then. The 5150 had yet to set the new benchmark for modern high gain at that point.
Dimebag's tone just did what it needed to in the context of the band he was playing in, I guess. And it helped what he was doing stand out among his contemporaries too. He didn't sound like grunge and he didn't sound like hair metal - at least not by the time I'd heard of him... :lol:
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Re: Do pickups matter for high gain tone?

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NippleWrestler wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:38 am
crowbgood1 wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:26 am Everything in the signal chain from fingers, pick and strings, through to the speakers. High gain and Telle has been a thing for decades. All the early Led Zeppelin albums are a good example.
This is the first time I've ever seen LZ called high gain.
Oh... sorry, first time posting in a metal thread.

Duh..

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Re: Do pickups matter for high gain tone?

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crowbgood1 wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:02 pm
NippleWrestler wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:38 am
crowbgood1 wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:26 am Everything in the signal chain from fingers, pick and strings, through to the speakers. High gain and Telle has been a thing for decades. All the early Led Zeppelin albums are a good example.
This is the first time I've ever seen LZ called high gain.
Oh... sorry, first time posting in a metal thread.

Duh..

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I consider the opening chord to A Hard Day's Night to be high gain.
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Re: Do pickups matter for high gain tone?

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robthemac wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:38 pm
crowbgood1 wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:02 pm
NippleWrestler wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:38 am

This is the first time I've ever seen LZ called high gain.
Oh... sorry, first time posting in a metal thread.

Duh..

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I consider the opening chord to A Hard Day's Night to be high gain.
I consider it to be Jazz. I think the opening bass notes on 'No More Heroes' are based on it.
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Re: Do pickups matter for high gain tone?

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NippleWrestler wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:38 am
Danger Mouse wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:36 am
NippleWrestler wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:13 am I'd watch that video but Glenn's style of presentation is like nails on a blackboard to me.
Don't bother, it's total click bait and even though he's done his best to hide the differences with each pickup with an awful, overly saturated tone no-one would actually record with, I can still clearly hear that they don't all sound the same.

My take from it is I need some Fishman Fluences.
I had some Fluences in the tele actually. They're garbage. I couldn't get them out quickly enough. The cocked wah, overly compressed 80s sound isn't something I enjoy and honestly there's pickups that do the same thing for about 1/10 the cost.
Thanks man, I was just about to offer him mine. :rofl:
DM, the one I have (I think it's a Fluence) is P90 size. You're welcome to just take it and have a play if you want.
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I do like the idea of the multiple voicings of the fluence stuff, and especially the lack of noise, but the price scares me off :-(
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Re: Do pickups matter for high gain tone?

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Slowy wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 6:12 pm
NippleWrestler wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:38 am
Danger Mouse wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:36 am

Don't bother, it's total click bait and even though he's done his best to hide the differences with each pickup with an awful, overly saturated tone no-one would actually record with, I can still clearly hear that they don't all sound the same.

My take from it is I need some Fishman Fluences.
I had some Fluences in the tele actually. They're garbage. I couldn't get them out quickly enough. The cocked wah, overly compressed 80s sound isn't something I enjoy and honestly there's pickups that do the same thing for about 1/10 the cost.
Thanks man, I was just about to offer him mine. :rofl:
DM, the one I have (I think it's a Fluence) is P90 size. You're welcome to just take it and have a play if you want.
Thanks for the offer, but unsurprisingly I don't have a guitar that takes a P90-sized pickup... :lol:

Plus looking at their website, there's a few versions I would have to decide on (Moderns or some of the signature ones).
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jeremyb wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 10:19 am Cutting edge high gain toan:

Yeah, that's my kinda toan. Also, this song slaps, even with that avante garde jazzy interlude which is so out of nowhere!
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Re: Do pickups matter for high gain tone?

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The Scarecrow wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:39 am
jeremyb wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 10:19 am Cutting edge high gain toan:

Yeah, that's my kinda toan. Also, this song slaps, even with that avante garde jazzy interlude which is so out of nowhere!
Yeah I love the jazzy bit, can only imagine what they were thinking when recording this, bet they were laughing their tits off!
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