Gear Aquisition Syndrome is a serious disorder.... FX etc

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#862486
Bg wrote:
slash-ed wrote:BOSS GT-1, or Katana 50 (even though that's not modelling)


What do you call it if its not modelling? COSM?


Katana isn't modelling because it isn't modelling any specific real world amps.

They're DSP-based preamp sections, for sure. But it's not "modelling" in the sense that people usually mean, where they expect a Twin Reverb or a JTM45 or a Bogner XTC or whatever.

GT-1 is modelling, through and through :) and yes, COSM on that one.
#862489
slash-ed wrote:
Bg wrote:
slash-ed wrote:BOSS GT-1, or Katana 50 (even though that's not modelling)


What do you call it if its not modelling? COSM?


Katana isn't modelling because it isn't modelling any specific real world amps.

They're DSP-based preamp sections, for sure. But it's not "modelling" in the sense that people usually mean, where they expect a Twin Reverb or a JTM45 or a Bogner XTC or whatever.

GT-1 is modelling, through and through :) and yes, COSM on that one.


How about the GT-100 as these are available in the Mk1 Koc (unsure about the Mk2).
And I always thought the models in the Mk1 were based on real amps - just not described in the manual for copyright purposes ;)
#862495
Laney IRT studio is a sleeper piece of gear. I got one for $450 on marketplace. Not a modeler, an actual tube rack amp, but has the versatility of a modeler.
3 channels. Clean (a very decent clean at that), Crunch and lead with built in boost and reverb that are all switchable.
I love the tone of all 3 channels on mine. So I ended up buying the 60 watt combo too.
<1 watt input and also a 15 watt input. Loud enough to gig with.
Built in load and headphone out so you can record without a cab connected in silence.
Built in interface. Hook up via usb to ya comp and set up so ya DAW recognises it.
Re-amping feature too.
Ticks a lot of boxes.

I have a 3 button Atomic Amplifire too that I'm in love with. There is no bullshit digital artifacts coming out of the AA like I've heard with other modelers.
But I run mine through fx returns of my tube amps. It sound like the real deal to me.
#862502
griff7628 wrote:Laney IRT studio is a sleeper piece of gear. I got one for $450 on marketplace. Not a modeler, an actual tube rack amp, but has the versatility of a modeler.
3 channels. Clean (a very decent clean at that), Crunch and lead with built in boost and reverb that are all switchable.
I love the tone of all 3 channels on mine. So I ended up buying the 60 watt combo too.
<1 watt input and also a 15 watt input. Loud enough to gig with.
Built in load and headphone out so you can record without a cab connected in silence.
Built in interface. Hook up via usb to ya comp and set up so ya DAW recognises it.
Re-amping feature too.
Ticks a lot of boxes.

I have a 3 button Atomic Amplifire too that I'm in love with. There is no bullshit digital artifacts coming out of the AA like I've heard with other modelers.
But I run mine through fx returns of my tube amps. It sound like the real deal to me.


That Laney looks wicked! anyone got more of them $450 ones?
#862567
rickenbackerkid wrote:Ed, what is a KOC like as a direct recording - does it do speaker modelling and the whole deal? the bassist in my band has a Big Black KOC and it's a great sounding amp but I've never tried it direct.


Disclaimer: I haven't tried this personally as I'm intending to mic mine up for recording, but most reports I've heard are they sound really thin if you record direct, and I think its fundamentally a lack of proper cabinet simulation and adding an IR loader makes a huge difference!

I guess even superman has kryptonite :mrgreen:
#862600
Bg wrote:
slash-ed wrote:
Bg wrote:
What do you call it if its not modelling? COSM?


Katana isn't modelling because it isn't modelling any specific real world amps.

They're DSP-based preamp sections, for sure. But it's not "modelling" in the sense that people usually mean, where they expect a Twin Reverb or a JTM45 or a Bogner XTC or whatever.

GT-1 is modelling, through and through :) and yes, COSM on that one.


How about the GT-100 as these are available in the Mk1 Koc (unsure about the Mk2).
And I always thought the models in the Mk1 were based on real amps - just not described in the manual for copyright purposes ;)


Nope. Katana amp sounds are original designs. They might be inspired by certain classics but they're not trying to replicate or duplicate anything.

GT-100 and GT-1 are the same sound engine.
#862601
rickenbackerkid wrote:Ed, what is a KOC like as a direct recording - does it do speaker modelling and the whole deal? the bassist in my band has a Big Black KOC and it's a great sounding amp but I've never tried it direct.


It's great, I use it all the time. It has a cab emulated recording/line out in the vein of a Greenback loaded quad box.

jeremyb wrote:Disclaimer: I haven't tried this personally as I'm intending to mic mine up for recording, but most reports I've heard are they sound really thin if you record direct, and I think its fundamentally a lack of proper cabinet simulation and adding an IR loader makes a huge difference!

I guess even superman has kryptonite :mrgreen:


Have to completely disagree with you there JB. Also what is "proper" cabinet simulation? Palmer PDIs have been a staple of cab emulation for decades and essentially all they are is just an EQ curve. An IR is just a more modern version of exactly the same concept.

Every Katana video that I do is recorded direct to an interface using the Katana's Recording Out jack.

For example:



Or more recently this one, which is getting some hits on FB! My friend's guitar sound is Helix Native using a dual amp chain, IRs, the whole shebang. I'm using Katana direct, single amp, phaser, delay and reverb, and I think it really stands up.

https://www.facebook.com/sixstringsamur ... TU0NDM1OA/