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Bg wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 2:44 pm
Yeah I've been looking at that but it only goes up to 4000mm sadly. I need 4001mm, else I'd be whacking it on the 12 months interest free, bargain!
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No one in the whole wide world would buy that, come on, it's a joke...
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Jay wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 5:52 pm No one in the whole wide world would buy that, come on, it's a joke...
Oh I'm sure there's a market for it. The guys who import them aren't doing it out of mere hope.

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robthemac wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 6:01 pm
Jay wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 5:52 pm No one in the whole wide world would buy that, come on, it's a joke...
Oh I'm sure there's a market for it. The guys who import them aren't doing it out of mere hope.
There is most definitely a market. At a mates 40th I spent a chunk of the evening chatting with a guy who had spent a fortune on his hi-fi set up. He was clearly very wealthy but most of the audio gear conversation was just him telling me how much he had spent, very little of it was on what his system sounded like.
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Danger Mouse wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 7:42 pm
robthemac wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 6:01 pm
Jay wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 5:52 pm No one in the whole wide world would buy that, come on, it's a joke...
Oh I'm sure there's a market for it. The guys who import them aren't doing it out of mere hope.
There is most definitely a market. At a mates 40th I spent a chunk of the evening chatting with a guy who had spent a fortune on his hi-fi set up. He was clearly very wealthy but most of the audio gear conversation was just him telling me how much he had spent, very little of it was on what his system sounded like.
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Danger Mouse wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 7:42 pm
robthemac wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 6:01 pm
Jay wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 5:52 pm No one in the whole wide world would buy that, come on, it's a joke...
Oh I'm sure there's a market for it. The guys who import them aren't doing it out of mere hope.
There is most definitely a market. At a mates 40th I spent a chunk of the evening chatting with a guy who had spent a fortune on his hi-fi set up. He was clearly very wealthy but most of the audio gear conversation was just him telling me how much he had spent, very little of it was on what his system sounded like.
If I had the money, I'd happily drop $100k on a stereo system. But only $10 of that would be cables.

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Danger Mouse wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 7:42 pm
robthemac wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 6:01 pm
Jay wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 5:52 pm No one in the whole wide world would buy that, come on, it's a joke...
Oh I'm sure there's a market for it. The guys who import them aren't doing it out of mere hope.
There is most definitely a market. At a mates 40th I spent a chunk of the evening chatting with a guy who had spent a fortune on his hi-fi set up. He was clearly very wealthy but most of the audio gear conversation was just him telling me how much he had spent, very little of it was on what his system sounded like.
He's probably hearing it with his eyes. Not something anybody here could ever be accused of... ;-)

I think I'd have lasted under a minute in that guy's company.

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Molly wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 8:36 pm
Danger Mouse wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 7:42 pm
robthemac wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 6:01 pm

Oh I'm sure there's a market for it. The guys who import them aren't doing it out of mere hope.
There is most definitely a market. At a mates 40th I spent a chunk of the evening chatting with a guy who had spent a fortune on his hi-fi set up. He was clearly very wealthy but most of the audio gear conversation was just him telling me how much he had spent, very little of it was on what his system sounded like.
He's probably hearing it with his eyes. Not something anybody here could ever be accused of... ;-)

I think I'd have lasted under a minute in that guy's company.
I know several people who have spent between 100 and 400k on Hifi. I have a simple test: Close your eyes. If your mind tells you the musicians are definitely in the same room with you, the job is done. Bonus points if you pull back to avoid being hit by the drumsticks.

This effect doesn't need to cost that much (depending on the size of your room) but you're going to have to spend at least $40K for it to work perfectly.
As for the extra $, it's the same as the average players who own 59 Bursts. It's because they can and you can't.
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The sad thing about hifi nerds is they always play such terrible music through their systems, but looking at trump we know that money and taste don’t go together…
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Slowy wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 10:01 pm
Molly wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 8:36 pm
Danger Mouse wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 7:42 pm

There is most definitely a market. At a mates 40th I spent a chunk of the evening chatting with a guy who had spent a fortune on his hi-fi set up. He was clearly very wealthy but most of the audio gear conversation was just him telling me how much he had spent, very little of it was on what his system sounded like.
He's probably hearing it with his eyes. Not something anybody here could ever be accused of... ;-)

I think I'd have lasted under a minute in that guy's company.
I know several people who have spent between 100 and 400k on Hifi. I have a simple test: Close your eyes. If your mind tells you the musicians are definitely in the same room with you, the job is done. Bonus points if you pull back to avoid being hit by the drumsticks.

This effect doesn't need to cost that much (depending on the size of your room) but you're going to have to spend at least $40K for it to work perfectly.
As for the extra $, it's the same as the average players who own 59 Bursts. It's because they can and you can't.
Yep, in the case of the guy I spent time talking to, it is very much an expression of wealth. He could and he enjoyed telling people he could.

But still, a nice enough guy. He had recently upgraded his second set up and had gifted the speakers to my mate, which were $6k worth.
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jeremyb wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 7:26 am The sad thing about hifi nerds is they always play such terrible music through their systems, but looking at trump we know that money and taste don’t go together…
I’ve spent a bit of time behind consoles in some highly controlled audio environments (ionised, temp and humidity regulated air, wave-length tuned room space, near/mid and soffit mounted monitors with phase alignment, the full 6 figure investment stuff). The system itself is only a part of the overall documentation, collation and presentation of audio data. No judgement…your money, your freedom of choice(s) to spend however you will…but I’d be curious if a large chunk of that change isn’t spent on chasing equipment solutions to band-aid over boogie listening environment issues…nice view through the panoramic, floor to ceiling windows, bummer about the refractive/reflective acoustics…

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clubhouse wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 10:48 am
jeremyb wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 7:26 am The sad thing about hifi nerds is they always play such terrible music through their systems, but looking at trump we know that money and taste don’t go together…
I’ve spent a bit of time behind consoles in some highly controlled audio environments (ionised, temp and humidity regulated air, wave-length tuned room space, near/mid and soffit mounted monitors with phase alignment, the full 6 figure investment stuff). The system itself is only a part of the overall documentation, collation and presentation of audio data. No judgement…your money, your freedom of choice(s) to spend however you will…but I’d be curious if a large chunk of that change isn’t spent on chasing equipment solutions to band-aid over boogie listening environment issues…nice view through the panoramic, floor to ceiling windows, bummer about the refractive/reflective acoustics…
Agreed. Have a cheap system in my modern minimalist living area, then the serious system in the gimp cave downstairs.

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robthemac wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 11:06 am
Agreed. Have a cheap system in my modern minimalist living area, then the serious system in the gimp cave downstairs.
Serious gimp cave…nice, man! Sounds a little like Torquemada meets Régine Zylberberg and Adam West-Batman…we should talk, sounds like a party to me :mental:

Back in the day, a story was told (probably apocryphal) by an older and really good audio engineer disparaging ‘audiophiles’…

IIRC, a seminar was organised by a reputable hi-fi magazine for some critics, journo and respected ‘golden ears’ cats. One of the items, which was the point of the experiment (it was a all a set-up to test a hypothesis), involved sitting the gathered in a small, acoustically tuned auditorium acknowledged for its ‘musicality’, in front of a set of very high end stereo speakers with a curtain behind them where the rest of the hi-fi system was kept.

The audience was assured that every controllable variable had been taken care of to insure that all the listeners were subjected to the same listening experience and they were asked to listen critically to a song track that was then played for them. They were asked to note their observations of the listening experience.

After some deliberate bashing and crashing about with some muttering and serious talk behind the curtain, the guinea pigs were then asked to listen critically to the same track again and note any difference from the previous experience they perceived.

The results were collated. All listeners noted differences, and there was. All were wrong…eloquently describing the phase inconsistencies causing eq shifts, variances in DAC, subtle changes in the mastering compression, blah, blah…everyone missed that the tracks were exactly the same except that the first was played back in stereo and the second in mono… :shh:

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clubhouse wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 12:55 pm
robthemac wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 11:06 am
Agreed. Have a cheap system in my modern minimalist living area, then the serious system in the gimp cave downstairs.
Serious gimp cave…nice, man! Sounds a little like Torquemada meets Régine Zylberberg and Adam West-Batman…we should talk, sounds like a party to me :mental:

Back in the day, a story was told (probably apocryphal) by an older and really good audio engineer disparaging ‘audiophiles’…

IIRC, a seminar was organised by a reputable hi-fi magazine for some critics, journo and respected ‘golden ears’ cats. One of the items, which was the point of the experiment (it was a all a set-up to test a hypothesis), involved sitting the gathered in a small, acoustically tuned auditorium acknowledged for its ‘musicality’, in front of a set of very high end stereo speakers with a curtain behind them where the rest of the hi-fi system was kept.

The audience was assured that every controllable variable had been taken care of to insure that all the listeners were subjected to the same listening experience and they were asked to listen critically to a song track that was then played for them. They were asked to note their observations of the listening experience.

After some deliberate bashing and crashing about with some muttering and serious talk behind the curtain, the guinea pigs were then asked to listen critically to the same track again and note any difference from the previous experience they perceived.

The results were collated. All listeners noted differences, and there was. All were wrong…eloquently describing the phase inconsistencies causing eq shifts, variances in DAC, subtle changes in the mastering compression, blah, blah…everyone missed that the tracks were exactly the same except that the first was played back in stereo and the second in mono… :shh:
I've spent enough of my life arguing with audiophiles about the inability for people to distinguish between most components.

Better to spend money on the gimp-related items rather than DACs and cables etc.

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