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Re: Fender Tonemaster Princeton

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For you peeps only...sloppy...but, you get the driven sound. No pedals etc. Some Reverb (3).

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Re: Fender Tonemaster Princeton

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GrantB wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:32 pm For you peeps only...sloppy...but, you get the driven sound. No pedals etc. Some Reverb (3).

Sounds alright to me!
Jops wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:46 am Spring is the comic sans of reverbs anyway.

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Re: Fender Tonemaster Princeton

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What I always wanted, a $2000 HX-Preset-in-a-Box :lol:

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Re: Fender Tonemaster Princeton

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MogwaiBoy wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:13 pm What I always wanted, a $2000 HX-Preset-in-a-Box :lol:
This. If you are going to fill the box with electronics, why not at least make it versatile?

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olegmcnoleg wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:42 am
MogwaiBoy wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:13 pm What I always wanted, a $2000 HX-Preset-in-a-Box :lol:
This. If you are going to fill the box with electronics, why not at least make it versatile?
Or at least affordable.

I’ve tried a Tonemaster Deluxe Reverb, and thought it sounded great, but also thought it was about $1000 too expensive.

Anyone who regularly gigs with a Twin would surely find the idea of a lightweight one appealing though.

I would be terrified of something going wrong with one too. The idea of needing to order replacement boards in order to service something like this (or a Blackstar St James for that matter) makes the serviceability of a heavier valve amp quite appealing. To be fair though, that could be because I have an amazing amp tech literally just up the road from me.

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Re: Fender Tonemaster Princeton

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If Fender made the Tonemasters more versatile and less expensive, they would not sell many. This is the amp for the man who wants a real Fender amp, without the weight and the valves. He wants it to do what a Fender valve amp does, no more or less; and he wants to pay good money for it.

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Re: Fender Tonemaster Princeton

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Litterick wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:36 pm If Fender made the Tonemasters more versatile and less expensive, they would not sell many. This is the amp for the man who wants a real Fender amp, without the weight and the valves. He wants it to do what a Fender valve amp does, no more or less; and he wants to pay good money for it.
And that man does not exist on this forum
Jops wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:46 am Spring is the comic sans of reverbs anyway.

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Re: Fender Tonemaster Princeton

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robthemac wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:03 pm
Litterick wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:36 pm If Fender made the Tonemasters more versatile and less expensive, they would not sell many. This is the amp for the man who wants a real Fender amp, without the weight and the valves. He wants it to do what a Fender valve amp does, no more or less; and he wants to pay good money for it.
And that man does not exist on this forum
Let's not be too hasty there

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Re: Fender Tonemaster Princeton

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StrummersOfThunder wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:23 pm
robthemac wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:03 pm
Litterick wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:36 pm If Fender made the Tonemasters more versatile and less expensive, they would not sell many. This is the amp for the man who wants a real Fender amp, without the weight and the valves. He wants it to do what a Fender valve amp does, no more or less; and he wants to pay good money for it.
And that man does not exist on this forum
Let's not be too hasty there
Sorry, he's afraid to speak up. Or she.
Jops wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:46 am Spring is the comic sans of reverbs anyway.

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Litterick wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:36 pm If Fender made the Tonemasters more versatile and less expensive, they would not sell many. This is the amp for the man who wants a real Fender amp, without the weight and the valves. He wants it to do what a Fender valve amp does, no more or less; and he wants to pay good money for it.
I own a Tone Master Deluxe Reverb, which I bought to replace a 68 Custom Deluxe Reverb. Used side-by-side there was minimal difference between the two in terms of tone, and any difference could be more than explained by different speakers.

*But* the Tone Master has a few things that gave it the edge, to my mind it does "do more":

1) It was only $1500 when I bought it new, and used ones are still a fair bit cheaper than used valve equivalents.
2) Power scaling to achieve convincing overdrive or edge of breakup at any volume.
3) A line out.
4) it has a well hidden little micro USB slot at the back of the chassis. This lets you add firmware patches from a library to effectively mimic common mods. I've got one to "clip the bright cap" loaded, but there are others to change other parameters. It's not as straightforward was an app, but there is flexibility there.

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Wairarapajack wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:56 am
Litterick wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:36 pm If Fender made the Tonemasters more versatile and less expensive, they would not sell many. This is the amp for the man who wants a real Fender amp, without the weight and the valves. He wants it to do what a Fender valve amp does, no more or less; and he wants to pay good money for it.
I own a Tone Master Deluxe Reverb, which I bought to replace a 68 Custom Deluxe Reverb. Used side-by-side there was minimal difference between the two in terms of tone, and any difference could be more than explained by different speakers.

*But* the Tone Master has a few things that gave it the edge, to my mind it does "do more":

1) It was only $1500 when I bought it new, and used ones are still a fair bit cheaper than used valve equivalents.
2) Power scaling to achieve convincing overdrive or edge of breakup at any volume.
3) A line out.
4) it has a well hidden little micro USB slot at the back of the chassis. This lets you add firmware patches from a library to effectively mimic common mods. I've got one to "clip the bright cap" loaded, but there are others to change other parameters. It's not as straightforward was an app, but there is flexibility there.
Yeah, that’s really cool.

I get it with a Deluxe reverb or bigger, but I think the benefits are much smaller on a Princeton. If they were in the $1500-$2000 range, I’d understand it more. But that being said, the valve equivalents are now stupid money, so what would I know :shrug:

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I would 100% be interested in a Vibrolux or Twin. Deluxe Reverb has never been a great fit for me.

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Wairarapajack wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:56 am .
May I ask what attracted you to a ToneMaster over other modelling options?
Jops wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:46 am Spring is the comic sans of reverbs anyway.

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robthemac wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:41 am
Wairarapajack wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:56 am .
May I ask what attracted you to a ToneMaster over other modelling options?
Honestly, I'm too lazy to learn new things or fiddle with settings. Once I find a good tone for an amp I tend to keep the settings untouched. Having an "old-fashioned combo amp" means I spend more time playing and less fiddling with an app.

I also own a Blues Cube for the same reasons.

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Re: Fender Tonemaster Princeton

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Wairarapajack wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:08 am
robthemac wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:41 am
Wairarapajack wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:56 am .
May I ask what attracted you to a ToneMaster over other modelling options?
Honestly, I'm too lazy to learn new things or fiddle with settings. Once I find a good tone for an amp I tend to keep the settings untouched. Having an "old-fashioned combo amp" means I spend more time playing and less fiddling with an app.

I also own a Blues Cube for the same reasons.
Makes sense!
Jops wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:46 am Spring is the comic sans of reverbs anyway.

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