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Fender Tonemaster Princeton

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:oh: no doubt the price will be more than building a tube one yourself but...

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If it weas trem, why did the Fender footswitch say "Vib"!

Great idea. Good for gigs. It's its own thing, rather than a perfect repro of a PR.

That reverb doesn't sound like the original...and the overdrive sound is, nah.
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Re: Fender Tonemaster Princeton

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GrantB wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:40 pm If it weas trem, why did the Fender footswitch say "Vib"!

Great idea. Good for gigs. It's its own thing, rather than a perfect repro of a PR.

That reverb doesn't sound like the original...and the overdrive sound is, nah.
Such a shame. The overdriven sound of a Princeton can be wonderful. Jay's with a 12" speaker is just glorious.
Jops wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:46 am Spring is the comic sans of reverbs anyway.

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Re: Fender Tonemaster Princeton

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robthemac wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:01 pm
GrantB wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:40 pm If it weas trem, why did the Fender footswitch say "Vib"!

Great idea. Good for gigs. It's its own thing, rather than a perfect repro of a PR.

That reverb doesn't sound like the original...and the overdrive sound is, nah.
Such a shame. The overdriven sound of a Princeton can be wonderful. Jay's with a 12" speaker is just glorious.
How loud does it get before it's overdriven?

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Re: Fender Tonemaster Princeton

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codedog wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:02 pm
robthemac wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:01 pm
GrantB wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:40 pm If it weas trem, why did the Fender footswitch say "Vib"!

Great idea. Good for gigs. It's its own thing, rather than a perfect repro of a PR.

That reverb doesn't sound like the original...and the overdrive sound is, nah.
Such a shame. The overdriven sound of a Princeton can be wonderful. Jay's with a 12" speaker is just glorious.
How loud does it get before it's overdriven?
Louder than I'd play in my bedroom. But it wouldn't be giggable if you want headroom. Arguably the worst of both worlds, but still on of my favourite amps I've ever played.

To be fair, I play very low-gain. What I'd call overdrive you might call compression.
Jops wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:46 am Spring is the comic sans of reverbs anyway.

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Re: Fender Tonemaster Princeton

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robthemac wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:16 pm
codedog wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:02 pm
robthemac wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:01 pm

Such a shame. The overdriven sound of a Princeton can be wonderful. Jay's with a 12" speaker is just glorious.
How loud does it get before it's overdriven?
Louder than I'd play in my bedroom. But it wouldn't be giggable if you want headroom. Arguably the worst of both worlds, but still on of my favourite amps I've ever played.

To be fair, I play very low-gain. What I'd call overdrive you might call compression.
For a Princeton I imagine I would only consider edge of breakup at the highest.

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A Princeton reverb would be my perfect amp I reckon, 10" jensen ceramic... yummo.
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jeremyb wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:42 pm A Princeton reverb would be my perfect amp I reckon, 10" jensen ceramic... yummo.
It's no AC-10, mate.
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robthemac wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:03 pm
jeremyb wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:42 pm A Princeton reverb would be my perfect amp I reckon, 10" jensen ceramic... yummo.
It's no AC-10, mate.
It’s more AC-10 than you would think :mrgreen:
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Re: Fender Tonemaster Princeton

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I'm not sure why they went with the Princeton Reverb next when they already do a lightweight Tone Master Deluxe Reverb with power scaling down to 0.5 watts. To me they already have the portable Blackface combo covered.

Yes, the Princeton definitely has a lot of fans, but they could have given the Tone Master treatment to the Tweed Deluxe first!

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Wairarapajack wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:53 pm I'm not sure why they went with the Princeton Reverb next when they already do a lightweight Tone Master Deluxe Reverb with power scaling down to 0.5 watts. To me they already have the portable Blackface combo covered.

Yes, the Princeton definitely has a lot of fans, but they could have given the Tone Master treatment to the Tweed Deluxe first!
Couldn't agree more. Or they could put a tweed voice in any of the ToneMaster series for next to no cost.
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robthemac wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:01 pm
GrantB wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:40 pm If it weas trem, why did the Fender footswitch say "Vib"!

Great idea. Good for gigs. It's its own thing, rather than a perfect repro of a PR.

That reverb doesn't sound like the original...and the overdrive sound is, nah.
Such a shame. The overdriven sound of a Princeton can be wonderful. Jay's with a 12" speaker is just glorious.
I really dont think they sound good at all overdriven. Great clean tone , perhaps slightly breaking up. .. but the overdrive of a PR always virges on fizzy to me.

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Re: Fender Tonemaster Princeton

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StrummersOfThunder wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:35 pm
robthemac wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:01 pm
GrantB wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:40 pm If it weas trem, why did the Fender footswitch say "Vib"!

Great idea. Good for gigs. It's its own thing, rather than a perfect repro of a PR.

That reverb doesn't sound like the original...and the overdrive sound is, nah.
Such a shame. The overdriven sound of a Princeton can be wonderful. Jay's with a 12" speaker is just glorious.
I really dont think they sound good at all overdriven. Great clean tone , perhaps slightly breaking up. .. but the overdrive of a PR always virges on fizzy to me.
This ^. I had a Princeton Reverb before and 100% agree with Strummers

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Part of the appeal of a tonemaster is that they can make the amp lightweight- a twin I can understand, but a Princeton? Seems pointless to me.

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Re: Fender Tonemaster Princeton

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StrummersOfThunder wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:35 pm
robthemac wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:01 pm
GrantB wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:40 pm If it weas trem, why did the Fender footswitch say "Vib"!

Great idea. Good for gigs. It's its own thing, rather than a perfect repro of a PR.

That reverb doesn't sound like the original...and the overdrive sound is, nah.
Such a shame. The overdriven sound of a Princeton can be wonderful. Jay's with a 12" speaker is just glorious.
I really dont think they sound good at all overdriven. Great clean tone , perhaps slightly breaking up. .. but the overdrive of a PR always virges on fizzy to me.
That fizziness can be removed with a subtle tweak to a couple of resistor values (Paul mod?). I’ll record mine breaking up.

I’m also using a night light as a “master vol”.
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