Speaker options?

Discuss the stuff that makes your ears bleed.

Moderators: Slowy, Capt. Black

User avatar
Slowy
Vintage Post Junkie
Vintage Post Junkie
Posts: 19747
meble-kuchenne.warszawa.pl
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:13 pm
Location: Orcland
Has liked: 804 times
Been liked: 1960 times

Speaker options?

Post by Slowy »

3 members of dCompress work in the professional audio/PA industry. Any gear we need for any situation can be pulled straight out of the warehouse. Very cool place to be.

In this comfortable position, the band has been working on playing quieter. This has the benefit of giving the music much more space, while the PA can deliver any volume required.

As a guitarist, the challenge becomes 'volume = tone'. I'm finding my Celestion Blue is projecting too much. As a result, I'm often holding back while playing.

I presume this is a combination of the Blue's upper mid projection and extreme efficiency. I love the speaker but is there something that has similar characteristics but dialled back a bit? My G12H30 doesn't work here; too spiky. The Fane is better but still too loud. Almost perfect is my Harmony combo with an old Jensen. But it doesn't quite have enough headroom for all situations.

My 12 watt Jansen is becoming the favoured amp. I'm playing opposite Keyboards now rather than two other guitars and I'm intrigued by how much this changes what my amps need to do.

Any thoughts on speakers I should try?
"We were playing so loud that just one note on the guitar was sufficient".
Ritchie Blackmore.

User avatar
robthemac
Vintage Post Junkie
Vintage Post Junkie
Posts: 5631
Joined: Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:47 pm
Has liked: 823 times
Been liked: 944 times

Re: Speaker options?

Post by robthemac »

Dibs on the G12H30.
Jops wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:46 am Spring is the comic sans of reverbs anyway.

User avatar
rickenbackerkid
Vintage Post Junkie
Vintage Post Junkie
Posts: 6519
Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:52 pm
Has liked: 182 times
Been liked: 588 times

Re: Speaker options?

Post by rickenbackerkid »

I'd consider a smaller speaker. A 10 inch Jensen Alnico perhaps, they are less loud than 12's.

User avatar
MikeC
Vintage Post Junkie
Vintage Post Junkie
Posts: 2040
Joined: Fri Sep 12, 2003 5:43 pm
Location: Red Beach, Auckland
Has liked: 917 times
Been liked: 611 times

Re: Speaker options?

Post by MikeC »

I am wondering if a Greenback might do it for you?

User avatar
Jay
Vintage Post Junkie
Vintage Post Junkie
Posts: 6223
Joined: Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:35 pm
Has liked: 1289 times
Been liked: 1119 times
Contact:

Re: Speaker options?

Post by Jay »

I know the tone sniffers on this forum will balk, but have you tried a 12" blue marvel at all? They are considerably less efficient and the 8ohm version I put in a Jansen 6/20 sounded pretty good. They are also cost effective :wink:
When faced with quality, I recognise it every time.

User avatar
robthemac
Vintage Post Junkie
Vintage Post Junkie
Posts: 5631
Joined: Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:47 pm
Has liked: 823 times
Been liked: 944 times

Re: Speaker options?

Post by robthemac »

What about Ants' one? Maverick or something. It's on the more polite end of the tonal spectrum, and it you can select the efficiency.
Jops wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:46 am Spring is the comic sans of reverbs anyway.

NippleWrestler
Vintage Post Junkie
Vintage Post Junkie
Posts: 2114
Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2016 5:05 pm
Has liked: 49 times
Been liked: 695 times

Re: Speaker options?

Post by NippleWrestler »

Projection is also a facet of cabinet design. I sold my Mesa 212 because you couldn't hear it off axis, and on axis it would take your head off.

But, an EQ pedal will be cheaper and allow you to sculpt more than rolling speakers in and out trying to find something that works. Caline make a 10 band EQ for around $50.

If you're intent on that path though, the old T75s are difficult to beat.

User avatar
Bg
Site Admin
Posts: 40626
Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2003 12:13 am
Location: Auckland
Has liked: 2033 times
Been liked: 3369 times

Re: Speaker options?

Post by Bg »

Jay wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:14 am I know the tone sniffers on this forum will balk, but have you tried a 12" blue marvel at all? They are considerably less efficient and the 8ohm version I put in a Jansen 6/20 sounded pretty good. They are also cost effective :wink:
...and I have a blue marvel here, for sale.
So, is that low alcohol or no alcohol at all? mmmm, no alcohol, do you want to try it? Noooooooooo.

User avatar
Slowy
Vintage Post Junkie
Vintage Post Junkie
Posts: 19747
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:13 pm
Location: Orcland
Has liked: 804 times
Been liked: 1960 times

Re: Speaker options?

Post by Slowy »

NippleWrestler wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:41 am Projection is also a facet of cabinet design. I sold my Mesa 212 because you couldn't hear it off axis, and on axis it would take your head off.

But, an EQ pedal will be cheaper and allow you to sculpt more than rolling speakers in and out trying to find something that works. Caline make a 10 band EQ for around $50.

If you're intent on that path though, the old T75s are difficult to beat.
I already use a GE-7. Essential piece of kit.
"We were playing so loud that just one note on the guitar was sufficient".
Ritchie Blackmore.

User avatar
JHorner
Vintage Post Junkie
Vintage Post Junkie
Posts: 3100
Joined: Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:45 pm
Location: Auckland
Has liked: 336 times
Been liked: 470 times

Re: Speaker options?

Post by JHorner »

Pull a perspex panel from your warehouse and put it in front of the speaker.

User avatar
clubhouse
Gibson
Posts: 815
Joined: Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:04 pm
Location: Aotearoa/NZ
Has liked: 193 times
Been liked: 130 times

Re: Speaker options?

Post by clubhouse »

Slowy wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:00 am
NippleWrestler wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:41 am Projection is also a facet of cabinet design. I sold my Mesa 212 because you couldn't hear it off axis, and on axis it would take your head off.

But, an EQ pedal will be cheaper and allow you to sculpt more than rolling speakers in and out trying to find something that works. Caline make a 10 band EQ for around $50.

If you're intent on that path though, the old T75s are difficult to beat.
I already use a GE-7. Essential piece of kit.
How are you using the eq? What amp is paired with the Blue and what type of cab is the Blue in?

Maybe swap out the Jensen in your Harmony for the Blue’s efficiency. The Harmony amp tone maybe in a race with Jensen’s capability to handle the amp tone at volume before the speaker flubs out. Blue’s efficiency may better handle all the Harmony has to give before it needs to be too loud and speaker coloured?

User avatar
Cdog
Vintage Post Junkie
Vintage Post Junkie
Posts: 4030
Joined: Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:01 pm
Location: Christchurch
Has liked: 2691 times
Been liked: 581 times
Contact:

Re: Speaker options?

Post by Cdog »

Attenuator?

Mattallica
Vintage Post Junkie
Vintage Post Junkie
Posts: 1605
Joined: Fri May 20, 2016 9:42 pm
Location: CHCH
Has liked: 542 times
Been liked: 173 times

Re: Speaker options?

Post by Mattallica »

One of the adjustable eminence speakers?

Mattallica
Vintage Post Junkie
Vintage Post Junkie
Posts: 1605
Joined: Fri May 20, 2016 9:42 pm
Location: CHCH
Has liked: 542 times
Been liked: 173 times

Re: Speaker options?

Post by Mattallica »

Jensen MOD? Cheap British-ish sound with a few low sensitivity options.

I have a 12-35 but haven't really put it through paces.

User avatar
jeremyb
Chorus of Organs
Posts: 34519
Joined: Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:03 am
Has liked: 5838 times
Been liked: 3269 times

Re: Speaker options?

Post by jeremyb »

Load box and IR loader direct to the PA :thumbup:
And how can we win,
When fools can be kings?

Post Reply