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Re: Second amp for stereo?

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Miza wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:22 am
MikeC wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:19 am
jeremyb wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:24 am Thanks for the feedback lads, I’ve always wanted to build my own amp so I think a Princeton build will be on the cards!
Sing out if you want any advice or help building that Princeton Reverb-Amp. I've built quite a few!
Hey Mike - I've built pedals before, how much of a jump is building an amp in terms of required skills/knowledge?
Building an amp kit would be the next step after pedals IMO. The Trinity ones I've made have very good instructions and pics. It's definitely a few steps up though. And much scarier when first powering up!!!
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MikeC wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:30 am
Miza wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:22 am
MikeC wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:19 am

Sing out if you want any advice or help building that Princeton Reverb-Amp. I've built quite a few!
Hey Mike - I've built pedals before, how much of a jump is building an amp in terms of required skills/knowledge?
Building an amp kit would be the next step after pedals IMO. The Trinity ones I've made have very good instructions and pics. It's definitely a few steps up though. And much scarier when first powering up!!!
And more deadly I guess too. I might stick to 9V for a while yet, but eventually I'd like to try a kit.
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Re: Second amp for stereo?

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jeremyb wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:24 am
MikeC wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:19 am
jeremyb wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:24 am Thanks for the feedback lads, I’ve always wanted to build my own amp so I think a Princeton build will be on the cards!
Sing out if you want any advice or help building that Princeton Reverb-Amp. I've built quite a few!
For simplicities sake I was thinking along the lines of this: https://robrobinette.com/AA1164_Princet ... eleted.htm

Given I only use pedal reverb and trem and the build would be far simpler, thoughts?
Yep, easier and cheaper for sure. I could make you the required turret board but you'd need to get a chassis or fabricate your own. Here's a thought, you can purchase a "correct" PR chassis so you could always build this amp in that chassis and build a full blown PR In it later on!
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MikeC wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:35 am
jeremyb wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:24 am
MikeC wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:19 am

Sing out if you want any advice or help building that Princeton Reverb-Amp. I've built quite a few!
For simplicities sake I was thinking along the lines of this: https://robrobinette.com/AA1164_Princet ... eleted.htm

Given I only use pedal reverb and trem and the build would be far simpler, thoughts?
Yep, easier and cheaper for sure. I could make you the required turret board but you'd need to get a chassis or fabricate your own. Here's a thought, you can purchase a "correct" PR chassis so you could always build this amp in that chassis and build a full blown PR In it later on!
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jeremyb wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:46 am
MikeC wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:35 am
jeremyb wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:24 am

For simplicities sake I was thinking along the lines of this: https://robrobinette.com/AA1164_Princet ... eleted.htm

Given I only use pedal reverb and trem and the build would be far simpler, thoughts?
Yep, easier and cheaper for sure. I could make you the required turret board but you'd need to get a chassis or fabricate your own. Here's a thought, you can purchase a "correct" PR chassis so you could always build this amp in that chassis and build a full blown PR In it later on!
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MikeC wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:48 am
jeremyb wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:46 am
MikeC wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:35 am
Yep, easier and cheaper for sure. I could make you the required turret board but you'd need to get a chassis or fabricate your own. Here's a thought, you can purchase a "correct" PR chassis so you could always build this amp in that chassis and build a full blown PR In it later on!
:thumbup:
And BG can make you a kick-arse pine combo cab. Righto that's it then - Sold!
Where would you source chassis and small parts etc? I see Mojotone sell them or Tube Amp Doctor etc..
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jeremyb wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:02 am
MikeC wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:48 am
jeremyb wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:46 am

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And BG can make you a kick-arse pine combo cab. Righto that's it then - Sold!
Where would you source chassis and small parts etc? I see Mojotone sell them or Tube Amp Doctor etc..
Yep, them or Amplified Parts and others. There's an Ebay vendor "zachmdhunter" that sells the best priced chassis (in my experience to date) and you'd need the Blackface front & rear panels (Mojotone and others). I can provide a "Princeton Reverb-Amp" lettering decal which I make (see attached pic). You'll need PT & OT (transformers) which I can source. I can quote you to secure all of the components, transformers and supply the decal. You can source your own tubes, chassis and blackface plates. You'll need 600V hook-up wire too (which I can supply as I stock it)!
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MikeC wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:08 am
jeremyb wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:02 am
MikeC wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:48 am

And BG can make you a kick-arse pine combo cab. Righto that's it then - Sold!
Where would you source chassis and small parts etc? I see Mojotone sell them or Tube Amp Doctor etc..
Yep, them or Amplified Parts and others. There's an Ebay vendor "zachmdhunter" that sells the best priced chassis (in my experience to date) and you'd need the Blackface front & rear panels (Mojotone and others). I can provide a "Princeton Reverb-Amp" lettering decal which I make (see attached pic). You'll need PT & OT (transformers) which I can source. I can quote you to secure all of the components, transformers and supply the decal. You can source your own tubes, chassis and blackface plates. You'll need 600V hook-up wire too (which I can supply as I stock it)!
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Thanks Mike!! I'll do some research and get back to you :)
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You could also buy a second hand VHT Ultra and rewire it

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NZTone.e wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:54 am I would have thought a stereo rig would work best from two identical amps? Otherwise you don’t have a true left and right…different amps would make a good wet/dry rig, but I’m sure there’s lots of reasons to do the same in a stereo setup…
It is actually better to have some difference in the amps. If the sound is identical in each channel the stereo spread is very narrow. Introduce some stereo effects and it widens as the sound of each changes. If the amps are different (but complimentary, and even in volume ideally), then the stereo spread is wider and more interesting before you even add stereo effects.
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MattAnt wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:49 pm
NZTone.e wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:54 am I would have thought a stereo rig would work best from two identical amps? Otherwise you don’t have a true left and right…different amps would make a good wet/dry rig, but I’m sure there’s lots of reasons to do the same in a stereo setup…
It is actually better to have some difference in the amps. If the sound is identical in each channel the stereo spread is very narrow. Introduce some stereo effects and it widens as the sound of each changes. If the amps are different (but complimentary, and even in volume ideally), then the stereo spread is wider and more interesting before you even add stereo effects.
I'm hoping for a Tweed / Blackface stereo rig for this reason.
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I'm always happy picking and choosing with the Helix.... can do some nice whacked out combos, princeton reverb with mesa etc

Else in real amp world, tweed deluxe with tweed vibrolux sound like an awesome combination - nice swampy trem on the vibrolux provides enough of a difference.
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Thinking of a 5F2A princeton build perhaps, fundamentally a champ with a tone control... but run a 10" speaker in it... especially when you can get tone like this:

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Like this? - I built this 5F2A in 2019 with a "bedroom" volume attenuator built in! Cab by BG. Sounded great :)
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MikeC wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:15 pm Like this? - built a 5F2A in 2019 with a "bedroom" volume attenuator built in! Cab by BG. Sounded great :)
Very nice!!!
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