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jeremyb wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 9:55 pm Interestingly a year on I now think AI is the new blockchain, moronic senior managers everywhere are wanting AI added to everything to fix problems that don't exist, but thats ok the massive power and computing costs will be covered by making more developers redundant...
The underlying tech of the current AI wave is really interesting, but like you say it's being massively mis-interpreted (as usual).

Back in the mid 90s I worked with some amazing Neural Net technology from a Cambridge University spin-off company (the one that was bought by HP and was stuck in legal battles with HP recently). It was truly amazing, especially for the time.

I was using it in some of the very very early E-Commerce sites in Europe, Great Universal Stores Catalogues, I trained it on their entire catalog (the old phone directory sized catalog things you're all familiar from growing up) just the short and long written descriptions of all their products. It was amazing at working out what content was important and made things unique and could suggest alternatives with incredible accuracy, this was incredibly helpful to a catlog company that ran out of stock and needed to suggest substitutions.

The tech today is built on the kind of same technology but way bigger, it can't genuinely do original thought. but man can it find the nuanced stuff you want it to.

proper Machine Learning is amazing, see above, but also it was being used in the late 90s to detect credit card and financial fraud because it could identify patterns and more importantly wrong/bad patterns.

Today it's uses are amazing, it can do face recognition incredibly well, I've seen examples in NZ of it being used to distinguish between pests/predators and endagered species and being used in traps to poison pests and alow valuable species to pass unharmed. In the world of photo editing it can make incredibly powerful tools to crop out background, to fill in voids, all very useful stuff, to unblur photos, even to colourise very old photos and sun damanged photos. It can do the same for video and in the audio world it will be able to perform miracles, imagine being able to remove tape hiss, rescue terrible mixes, improve the quality of live sound etc. These are just tools, not creative and will make a huge difference.

Likewise in medicine, the ability to process X-Rays, Mamograms, MRI scans etc. will save many lives.

What todays AI really isn't is intelligent, and it certainly isn't really capable of creative thought, yep it can probably create the illusion of creativity usually through the tiny amounts of chaos present in systems, but it's a trick, it's not human etc. By the same token a lot of humans aren't capable of creative thought/generation either, so it can likely fake it for a while.

A lot of companies and niaive managers are going to lose a lot of money and make bad choices based on the current and next gen of AI if they think they can use it as a replacement for their creative humans. Yep a few are going to get lucky and score big, but a hell of a lot more are going to quietly run up huge bills, make huge cock ups, and quietly move on to the next big thing.

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A good learning exercise for yourself, which has been mentioned before, is to use one of the current AI tools like ChatGPT etc. to do something for you in a topic that you know really well. You will find huge glaring mistakes in it I'm sure. So how could you possibly trust what it tells you about a topic you know little or less?

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AI tools to take out the drudgery of creative work will be the big winner I hope!

If they do use AI to make music its only going to be pop music anyway, and thats pretty much garbage these days so no one will know the difference or care, its interesting how streaming has changed modern pop music though, it all goes bang straight into the chorus, cause if you don't hook the listener in the first 5 or so seconds they will skip to the next track in the playlist...
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jeremyb wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:49 am
hamo wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:21 pm The more useful applications will be the ones that are trained on more constrained, better curated sets of source material, then pointed at specific use cases. The more general AI just has too many opportunities to go rogue.
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You can't have synthetic rock stars.

Art is as much about the artist as it is about the the art. Artificial is not the real thing.
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Was watching something the other day and the dude said “Your ears are analog so digital amps will never sound right!”, interesting take.
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crowbgood1 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:40 pm You can't have synthetic rock stars.

Art is as much about the artist as it is about the the art. Artificial is not the real thing.
Tell that to ABBA.
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H671 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 7:34 pm
crowbgood1 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:40 pm You can't have synthetic rock stars.

Art is as much about the artist as it is about the the art. Artificial is not the real thing.
Tell that to ABBAi.
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Cdog wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:01 am IMG-20240610-WA0000.jpg
Exactly!
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crowbgood1 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:40 pm You can't have synthetic rock stars.
Um.......
Milli Vanilli?
Spice Girls?
Bay City Rollers?
And what about that Japanese Anime singer who fills stadiums?
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Slowy wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:14 pm
crowbgood1 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:40 pm You can't have synthetic rock stars.
Um.......
Milli Vanilli?
Spice Girls?
Bay City Rollers?
And what about that Japanese Anime singer who fills stadiums?
About them - real people with real fans. Yup, Anime is real art created by real artists.
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and you missed Gorillaz, and I'd fight for them not being synthetic other than the videos :D
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jeremyb wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:44 pm Was watching something the other day and the dude said “Your ears are analog so digital amps will never sound right!”, interesting take.
That's silly. The issue is sampling rate/ quantity of information. I'd challenge anyone to correctly determine a blind digital vs analogue test with the best available gear. What hasn't happened in my (limited) experience is digital amps feeling analogue to play. It's only a matter of time though.
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I went looking for this, slightly disappointed, get practicing AI.

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There’s no stopping it, AI music will just create a few new genres and they’ll have to make up some new laws defining who and what wrote what cause peeps won’t stand for being out done by AIs, especially when it comes to awards and what not.

There’ll be AI produced music, sub genres therein, probably a nice big grey area of AI assisted music, then human produced music will become a boutique little sub genre that only the cool cats listen too…

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