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Re: Nitro spraying advice

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GrantB wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:46 pm
robthemac wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:12 pm Changed my pressure to a lot higher and it worked a treat. Sprayed a matching headstock about two weeks ago. Sanded it up today, and it's pretty much a perfect mirror finish even before buffing and polishing. It's so thin that it's checking already!
Nice even spray work is so good to achieve. Kudos on the thinner/nitro mix! Clearly you're not in the Waikato with 78% humidity.

Re aged lacquer "cracks", it's good you got some already. But somewhat against instinct, lacquer needs some depth to pull away from itself as it shrinks. Otherwise it heals! I'd be doin' the 10 coats clear on a 3-6 coat base (all thin, but wet and even), and once crispy, look for the checkin'
It's probably more humid up here :lol:

I'm doing a lot more colour coats than that, probably 8-10. But super, super thin.
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Cool thread.

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GrantB wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:48 pm Bursts require some finesse on the delivery that's hard to articulate from a keyboard...best I can say is its like you're aiming for the centre of the guitar from way out past the edge, and 50% of the spray hits perpendicular to the edge, and the rest feathers outs over the flat...and you follow the profile of the outside edge.

Reg, I'm not sure how you'd use stain for a burst. If you want a dark lemon to a clear/amber, use how I described and burst it. Takes many many coats of fine spray - altho Fender didn't...they were sloppy. Couple of squirts of the dark, and bam.

This is nitro, shot only with either amber or amber and tint (brown). True two tone burst. You can achieve a lemon burst like this. Happy to help.
Appreciate your input a lot on this, cheers!
I can imagine what your describing for the technique, but will be some trial and error no doubt.
I have a Tele body blank to practice on but the actual guitar is a double cut LP that the other Grant is half way through building for me. So just to get my plan for a test run sorted, best way to do a 2 tone lemon burst would be sealer coats first, then spray some lemon/amber coats to achieve the desired overall body colour, then more clear coats? Then spray the brown burst around the edge.
Then more clear/tinted top coats.

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clubhouse wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:07 pm
GrantB wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:48 pm Bursts require some finesse on the delivery that's hard to articulate from a keyboard...best I can say is its like you're aiming for the centre of the guitar from way out past the edge, and 50% of the spray hits perpendicular to the edge, and the rest feathers outs over the flat...and you follow the profile of the outside edge.

Reg, I'm not sure how you'd use stain for a burst. If you want a dark lemon to a clear/amber, use how I described and burst it. Takes many many coats of fine spray - altho Fender didn't...they were sloppy. Couple of squirts of the dark, and bam.

This is nitro, shot only with either amber or amber and tint (brown). True two tone burst. You can achieve a lemon burst like this. Happy to help.
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GrantB wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:22 pm
clubhouse wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:07 pm
GrantB wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:48 pm Bursts require some finesse on the delivery that's hard to articulate from a keyboard...best I can say is its like you're aiming for the centre of the guitar from way out past the edge, and 50% of the spray hits perpendicular to the edge, and the rest feathers outs over the flat...and you follow the profile of the outside edge.

Reg, I'm not sure how you'd use stain for a burst. If you want a dark lemon to a clear/amber, use how I described and burst it. Takes many many coats of fine spray - altho Fender didn't...they were sloppy. Couple of squirts of the dark, and bam.

This is nitro, shot only with either amber or amber and tint (brown). True two tone burst. You can achieve a lemon burst like this. Happy to help.
Is this a refin Custom or a new build you did? Either way, it's mega! Congrats, man. One of my dream guitars on my personal, guitar/amp degustation list 8)
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Reg18 wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:19 pm
GrantB wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:48 pm Bursts require some finesse on the delivery that's hard to articulate from a keyboard...best I can say is its like you're aiming for the centre of the guitar from way out past the edge, and 50% of the spray hits perpendicular to the edge, and the rest feathers outs over the flat...and you follow the profile of the outside edge.

Reg, I'm not sure how you'd use stain for a burst. If you want a dark lemon to a clear/amber, use how I described and burst it. Takes many many coats of fine spray - altho Fender didn't...they were sloppy. Couple of squirts of the dark, and bam.

This is nitro, shot only with either amber or amber and tint (brown). True two tone burst. You can achieve a lemon burst like this. Happy to help.
Appreciate your input a lot on this, cheers!
I can imagine what your describing for the technique, but will be some trial and error no doubt.
I have a Tele body blank to practice on but the actual guitar is a double cut LP that the other Grant is half way through building for me. So just to get my plan for a test run sorted, best way to do a 2 tone lemon burst would be sealer coats first, then spray some lemon/amber coats to achieve the desired overall body colour, then more clear coats? Then spray the brown burst around the edge.
Then more clear/tinted top coats.
Pretty much. Order is sealer, clear/amber all over, tinted amber using burst technique described, then clear overall

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Anyone got a source of Aniline dyes in NZ?
And can you spray these with Nitro?

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Sparkle nitro finishes: worth DIY? Or too much faff getting separate gun, agitator, learning technique etc
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robthemac wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:44 pm Sparkle nitro finishes: worth DIY? Or too much faff getting separate gun, agitator, learning technique etc
Don’t know. But I want a custom sparkly Mustang with a Jazzmaster/Jaguar vibrato, so I’m very keen for you to learn to spray some serious flake.

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Starfire wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:07 pm
robthemac wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:44 pm Sparkle nitro finishes: worth DIY? Or too much faff getting separate gun, agitator, learning technique etc
Don’t know. But I want a custom sparkly Mustang with a Jazzmaster/Jaguar vibrato, so I’m very keen for you to learn to spray some serious flake.
It's worrying that this is exactly the level of peer pressure that will get me to do exactly what I thought was a bad idea.
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Who wants to peer pressure an anonymous forumite into getting a pink-sparkle headstock to go with his white Strat?

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robthemac wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:44 pm Sparkle nitro finishes: worth DIY? Or too much faff getting separate gun, agitator, learning technique etc
Fine misty sparkle (eg Fender Firemist), or 50’s heavy flake (eg Gretsch SilverJet)?
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GrantB wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:51 pm
robthemac wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:44 pm Sparkle nitro finishes: worth DIY? Or too much faff getting separate gun, agitator, learning technique etc
Fine misty sparkle (eg Fender Firemist), or 50’s heavy flake (eg Gretsch SilverJet)?
Start with the former I guess.
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robthemac wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:23 pm Who wants to peer pressure an anonymous forumite into getting a pink-sparkle headstock to go with his white Strat?

:thumbup: :thumbup:
How do you make a pink sparkle headstock go with a white Strat?

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robthemac wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:12 pm
GrantB wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:51 pm
robthemac wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:44 pm Sparkle nitro finishes: worth DIY? Or too much faff getting separate gun, agitator, learning technique etc
Fine misty sparkle (eg Fender Firemist), or 50’s heavy flake (eg Gretsch SilverJet)?
Start with the former I guess.
Then I would just ask the shop to mix it for you, or at least the base, and you add the powder last? Shop mix will be best.

Big flakes is usually applied over top of base colour in the clear. I’ve never done it, but it’s a pain from my car painting friends experience.
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