Class D poweramp tryout in a bass amp (photo+schematic)
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Class D poweramp tryout in a bass amp (photo+schematic)
Hi guys!
My first post, not a native speaker, be kind =)
I was wondering why so many manufacturers are using class D amps in bass amplifiers these days.
It turns out that one of the main suppliers for Fender, GK is the Danish company ICEPOWER (Bang and Olufsen branch).
They make fantastic ICEpower50ASX2(SE) modules you can find on Aliexpress (visually the same) for 100 NZD: power supply included, no radiator, wow.
I had Warwick Pro Tube IV 400-Watt bass amp to compare. 1x15+2x10 cabs. TUNE active 4 str bass (fast asf).
I wired ICEpower50ASX2(SE) as BTL module for the bass preamp with a relay and shove it into the used rack unit.
The simple tube Alembic preamp (with my favourites 6SL7) +icepower totally blew away fancy German manufacturer. Wow.
It's like a 10 times lighter and does not heat up.
Moreover, this 170W module was actually LOUDER than 400W Warwick. I think this is due to nice breakup of icepower.
In any case, it was more than enough for a loud drummer.
I added two 5v fans because it fell into protection mode due to overheating during a long and loud rehearsal, now it's cold as a corpse.
After that I added dirty channel based on Diezel VH4 circuit (to compare it with my tube head).
And blended them together, damn that's a bomb!
I'm still trying new things in the scheme(out of curiosity, I just can't stop) but at this point I am completely satisfied.
I also use this amp for my Hi-Fi system (with the tube preamp switched off and switched to SE mode, 2x50W).
I compared the dirty channel with the same in my tube head, and the tube poweramp sounds much sweeter but softer at the bottom. I prefer it for the guitar 100% but I'm sure Blackstar and others experienced companies can handle it.
If you have a modern class D bass amp in Christchurch I'm looking forward to compare them.
NOTE, the circuit is messy and still under construction.
I wrote this post to encourage anyone who wants to try it.
My first post, not a native speaker, be kind =)
I was wondering why so many manufacturers are using class D amps in bass amplifiers these days.
It turns out that one of the main suppliers for Fender, GK is the Danish company ICEPOWER (Bang and Olufsen branch).
They make fantastic ICEpower50ASX2(SE) modules you can find on Aliexpress (visually the same) for 100 NZD: power supply included, no radiator, wow.
I had Warwick Pro Tube IV 400-Watt bass amp to compare. 1x15+2x10 cabs. TUNE active 4 str bass (fast asf).
I wired ICEpower50ASX2(SE) as BTL module for the bass preamp with a relay and shove it into the used rack unit.
The simple tube Alembic preamp (with my favourites 6SL7) +icepower totally blew away fancy German manufacturer. Wow.
It's like a 10 times lighter and does not heat up.
Moreover, this 170W module was actually LOUDER than 400W Warwick. I think this is due to nice breakup of icepower.
In any case, it was more than enough for a loud drummer.
I added two 5v fans because it fell into protection mode due to overheating during a long and loud rehearsal, now it's cold as a corpse.
After that I added dirty channel based on Diezel VH4 circuit (to compare it with my tube head).
And blended them together, damn that's a bomb!
I'm still trying new things in the scheme(out of curiosity, I just can't stop) but at this point I am completely satisfied.
I also use this amp for my Hi-Fi system (with the tube preamp switched off and switched to SE mode, 2x50W).
I compared the dirty channel with the same in my tube head, and the tube poweramp sounds much sweeter but softer at the bottom. I prefer it for the guitar 100% but I'm sure Blackstar and others experienced companies can handle it.
If you have a modern class D bass amp in Christchurch I'm looking forward to compare them.
NOTE, the circuit is messy and still under construction.
I wrote this post to encourage anyone who wants to try it.
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Re: Class D poweramp tryout in a bass amp (photo+schematic)
Epic first post! Cool project dude, nice to see
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shit yes, I missed this but that is awesome!
So, is that low alcohol or no alcohol at all? mmmm, no alcohol, do you want to try it? Noooooooooo.
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Main reason for Class D imo is cost. Less iron needed in power supply so less cost. Nice work by the way!
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Re: Class D poweramp tryout in a bass amp (photo+schematic)
Excellent post!
To me, main advantage of class D is weight.
Weight is very important when you’re 200 years old.
To me, main advantage of class D is weight.
Weight is very important when you’re 200 years old.
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weight is the important thing here, having hefted the vibroverb around with chassis and speaker.... I'm lucky I didn't get a hernia.
So, is that low alcohol or no alcohol at all? mmmm, no alcohol, do you want to try it? Noooooooooo.
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Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.
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did i read the spec sheet right that these can be run @170w mono/4 ohm?its probably well above my skill set but ive been thinking of grabbing one or more of something like this for ages.
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Mk1, in about 30 years time people will be wanting it so badlyDaniel_T wrote:Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.
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So, is that low alcohol or no alcohol at all? mmmm, no alcohol, do you want to try it? Noooooooooo.
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In 30 years they will stare at it as at dinosaurs shit! Smart watches will be able to mock mesa, mind my word.Bg wrote: Mk1, in about 30 years time people will be wanting it so badly
Yes, 170W at 1%THD, but it's 220W at 10%THD! Breakup is really pleasant so I'm not sure what THD I reach at the rehearsal. It can be 50% and nobody will know =)Kris wrote:did i read the spec sheet right that these can be run @170w mono/4 ohm?its probably well above my skill set but ive been thinking of grabbing one or more of something like this for ages.
This module is plug-n-play with heaps of protection, don't worry.
I blew it already, haha, the input stage has dissapeared in the blue smoke. Chinese speaker connectors colors were not matching the module +/-. So I shortened the output to the ground. Stupid mistake but it was easy to fix.
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doesnt happen with olde fenders and Marshall, keep it just in case! look at the teary eyed people here who get emotional over old bottle based ampsDaniel_T wrote:In 30 years they will stare at it as at dinosaurs shit! Smart watches will be able to mock mesa, mind my word.Bg wrote: Mk1, in about 30 years time people will be wanting it so badly
Yes, 170W at 1%THD, but it's 220W at 10%THD! Breakup is really pleasant so I'm not sure what THD I reach at the rehearsal. It can be 50% and nobody will know =)Kris wrote:did i read the spec sheet right that these can be run @170w mono/4 ohm?its probably well above my skill set but ive been thinking of grabbing one or more of something like this for ages.
This module is plug-n-play with heaps of protection, don't worry.
I blew it already, haha, the input stage has dissapeared in the blue smoke. Chinese speaker connectors colors were not matching the module +/-. So I shortened the output to the ground. Stupid mistake but it was easy to fix.
Come on in.
So, is that low alcohol or no alcohol at all? mmmm, no alcohol, do you want to try it? Noooooooooo.
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I am that guy!
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Dude you need to come to the next Christchurch gearfest, once this plague has gone we'll have another!!
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What?! Gearfest?! And anyone can play anything?
That's awesome!
My second tube head is stuck in Europe
And this amp should be remade.
But I have curious experience with different tubes to share
That's awesome!
My second tube head is stuck in Europe
And this amp should be remade.
But I have curious experience with different tubes to share
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