mr_sooty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:04 pm
Guessed by no one. I rest my case.
Well if this truly is a competition, your case is flawed. The thread title is "Les Paul v 335 - can you really hear the difference?" and not "Guess which one is the Tokai 335"
So "Not Proven".
If the difference between a 335 and an LP is obvious, you would be able to easily pick which one is a 335 when three sounds are an LP and one is a 335. It would be more obvious because three of the guitars would have that characteristic you associate with LPs and the one that's different would stand out more. Yes one is a different brand (a very well regarded, nitro finished, near exact replica), but that theoretically would make it more obvious rather than less. So if a bunch of guitar enthusiasts obsessed enough with guitar tone to be part of a guitar forum can't pick out a 335 from a line up where three aren't and one is, then I would think it was at least some way towards proven that it is extremely difficult to hear the difference.
All of which is true and fundamentally pointless. I blame OP error. A far more useful (but much shorter and less entertaining) thread title would have been:
Les Paul vs 335 - can you really feel a difference?
Answer,
Yes/
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mr_sooty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:04 pm
Guessed by no one. I rest my case.
Well if this truly is a competition, your case is flawed. The thread title is "Les Paul v 335 - can you really hear the difference?" and not "Guess which one is the Tokai 335"
So "Not Proven".
If the difference between a 335 and an LP is obvious, you would be able to easily pick which one is a 335 when three sounds are an LP and one is a 335. It would be more obvious because three of the guitars would have that characteristic you associate with LPs and the one that's different would stand out more. Yes one is a different brand (a very well regarded, nitro finished, near exact replica), but that theoretically would make it more obvious rather than less. So if a bunch of guitar enthusiasts obsessed enough with guitar tone to be part of a guitar forum can't pick out a 335 from a line up where three aren't and one is, then I would think it was at least some way towards proven that it is extremely difficult to hear the difference.
FFS Cam, how many times do people have to say that it's not about the static sound of the guitar plugged in before you actually listen?
bender wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:46 pm
FFS Cam, how many times do people have to say that it's not about the static sound of the guitar plugged in before you actually listen?
Calm down mate. I'm not saying there's no difference whatsoever and it's not OK to prefer one over the other - it was just in response to the idea that Rhett proposed that the 335 is the guitar to rule them all and the most versatile of all guitars - and I question that because any audible difference is extremely subtle, so I'm questioning whether that subtle difference makes it 'better' or 'more versatile'. But it's nothing to lose sleep over. Buy and play whatever guitar you like.
bender wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:46 pm
FFS Cam, how many times do people have to say that it's not about the static sound of the guitar plugged in before you actually listen?
Calm down mate. I'm not saying there's no difference whatsoever and it's not OK to prefer one over the other - it was just in response to the idea that Rhett proposed that the 335 is the guitar to rule them all and the most versatile of all guitars - and I question that because any audible difference is extremely subtle, so I'm questioning whether that subtle difference makes it 'better' or 'more versatile'. But it's nothing to lose sleep over. Buy and play whatever guitar you like.
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I care so little that I've not even listened to the clips but I'm sure all 4 clips sound different, so it still proves nothing really. So case dismissed.
p.s. every guitar is different. every last one off any production line or out of a 'custom shop' .
p.p.s. I can usually tell the difference between a tele, strat or a humbucker equipped guitar. The strat is usually the one thats using the overused 4th position, the tele is biting into what little hearing I have left and the humbucker sounds like ROCK.
So, is that low alcohol or no alcohol at all? mmmm, no alcohol, do you want to try it? Noooooooooo.
I feel this thread is going to haunt me for another 10 years at least. I seem to have knack for making myself into a forum meme.
No offence intended to anyone, just thought it might be an interesting discussion.
(I'm now Sootying over whether to play a 335 or LP at the Michael Fowler Centre. I'm concerned about the noise and which one will sound more like a proper Gretsch)
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What I find interesting is that the clip highlights the differences between pickups. I would prefer #1 over #2 and #3. Given the basic guitars are so similar it's an interesting comparison. Others have other preferences.
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I'm just going to repeat my earlier comment about the way they respond to gain being quite different. The 335 will feedback easier and more controllably than the LP.
Its not something you'll hear listening to the 2 guitars playing the same blues licks A to B though.
If the discussion is why have one of A & B because they are both 2 humbers in a solid bit of wood with a glued on neck and a tune-o-matic bridge, then you'd have to ask why we bother with either, SGs are more comfortable and lighter, we should just play those. Could insert something about PRS in here too, but the ones I've played don't sound like an LP.
but I'm sure all 4 clips sound different, so it still proves nothing really. So case dismissed.
