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Post by foal30 »

well that Weta thread got me thinking
what are other recent NZ albums that had catchy pop songs on them?
and PLUTO P.L.U.T.O. came to mind

tracks 2 and 5 both got a lot of airplay IIRC so I had a go

Long White Cross

key = Ab major

verse /: Cm / Eb7 / Abmaj / Fm :/
chorus / Abmaj / Eb7 / Bbm / Fm /

between verse 1 and 2 and extra bar of Fm is used
between verse 2 and chorus 1 2 extra bars of F minor are used
another writer who does this is Sting :shock: have a listen to his stuff you don't notice, not to you actually listen (well IMO) do you notice hey that's a 9 bar verse WTF

if we apply our diatonic harmony knowledge to this we get;
Ab major (Ionian) I
Bb minor (Dorian) II
C minor (Phrygian) III
Eb 7 (Mixolydian) V
F minor (Aeolian) VI (the natural minor)

try playing these scales over their respective bars. it's like beginners improv, then arpeggios/chord tones.

track #5 Dance Stamina

this song reminds me of 80's music, I like it
not much harmonic movement
I say G major

/:Gmaj / B m / E m / E m :/

bridge is possibly only Bm / Bm / G maj / G maj /
the guitar is a bit like the Edge from Rog's fav band U2

any thoughts/edits/changes/outright dismissals to this?
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Long white cross!!! Awesome 8)
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the start of this song (long white cross) sounds very very very similar to duran duran's "what happens tomorrow" (from astronaut)...just saying :lol:
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also please
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support NZ bands etc

each bit helps

apparently
sales are a bit slow in equusland :D :D
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A few things :)
foal30 wrote: Long White Cross

key = Ab major

verse /: Cm / Eb7 / Abmaj / Fm :/
chorus / Abmaj / Eb7 / Bbm / Fm /

The key definitely sounds Cm to me.
Cant hear any 7 in the Eb
the F is major - hear the guitar part on the 2 and 4, its Bb A (A belonging to F major =F A C )
The Bb is also major

Chorus sounds like this to me:
Ab/ Eb / Bb / Cm /
Ab/ Eb / Bb / F5 /
Ab/ Eb / Bb / F5 /

The F is a bit more ambiguous to me there, nothing swings it either way.
if we apply our diatonic harmony knowledge to this we get;
Ab major (Ionian) I
Bb minor (Dorian) II
C minor (Phrygian) III
Eb 7 (Mixolydian) V
F minor (Aeolian) VI (the natural minor)

try playing these scales over their respective bars. it's like beginners improv, then arpeggios/chord tones.
I think listing 5 modes when they all contain the same notes only confuses matters.

My improv advice: use C minor (Aeolian - C D Eb F G Ab Bb) ( C Eb F G Bb) over all chords except the F - use C dorian (or call it F mixolydian if you wish) for that chord. of course, chord tones are key (pun not intended)
or C minor pentatonic over the whole thing
track #5 Dance Stamina


I say G major
I say E minor :wink:
Not definitive, just how I'm hearing them :D

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wouldnt the F be a seven chord, with the Eb
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yes I am not quite sure of the difference myself. :D

I was reading about melodic minor/harmonic minor etc to differentiate
so a minor key is not just a major key from the VI but often I am unconvinced I actually know what chord (type) you just played then. I have also found that maybe you play different chords or triads and I tell you what they are 10 out of 10. but tomorrow I only get 3 out of 10. It's this sort of inconsistency that leads to second guessing and inhibits both improv and experimentation. I certainly wish i was more pro-active in listening properly in my youth.

as for LWC
the F in the chorus maybe it's an E not an Eb, but surely an Ab in the bassline is primo :D Fm/maj7??
the F in the chorus I finish descending F, Eb, C , Bb sounds smooth to me :D
nice tune thumb w/ palm mute on the 5, luscious even

all this may change tomorrow however, keep it coming lads , all good.
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capt abaham wrote:wouldnt the F be a seven chord, with the Eb

well I don't know because it might be E in the verse
but I reckon Eb in the chorus

as above I'm most likely to accept someone else version before mine.
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foal30 wrote: if we apply our diatonic harmony knowledge to this we get;
Ab major (Ionian) I
Bb minor (Dorian) II
C minor (Phrygian) III
Eb 7 (Mixolydian) V
F minor (Aeolian) VI (the natural minor)
try playing these scales over their respective bars. it's like beginners improv, then arpeggios/chord tones.
Fook mi! That's a BEGINNER'S improv??

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I still think Ascend is a better guitar player than Milan Borich </four year old NZG meme revival> :P
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Daniel Jackson ascended, but he screwed up, too.
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capt abaham wrote:wouldnt the F be a seven chord, with the Eb
I didn't hear an Eb over the F, which instruments playing it?
foal30 wrote:
I was reading about melodic minor/harmonic minor etc to differentiate
so a minor key is not just a major key from the VI but often I am unconvinced I actually know what chord (type) you just played then.

I name the key from the tonal centre: the chord that sounds like home, which, to me, is Cm for LWC, and Em for DS.
wiki wrote:Although many musicians confuse key with scale, a scale is an ordered set of notes typically used in a key, while the key is the center of gravity, established by particular chord progressions
as for LWC
the F in the chorus maybe it's an E not an Eb, but surely an Ab in the bassline is primo :D Fm/maj7??
the F in the chorus I finish descending F, Eb, C , Bb sounds smooth to me :D
nice tune thumb w/ palm mute on the 5, luscious even

all this may change tomorrow however, keep it coming lads , all good.
Can't relisten to it right now but definitely didn't hear any odd chords like a mMaj7, If the notes of a chord like that were played I suspect to my ears they would sound as passing notes not chord tones.

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borge wrote:Off to Napier now, playing with Mountaineater and left or right tonight :)
Might see you there, if band practice doesn't drag on...
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Gelato wrote:
borge wrote:Off to Napier now, playing with Mountaineater and left or right tonight :)
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Post by foal30 »

good luck for the gig mate.

yeah wiki, no I don't want to know thanks :D . I can understand the language but I don't actually know or have formed an opinion. For instance, in the good old days the key was invariably the first chord or starting note of the tune :lol:

I think the bass descends to Eb from F in the chorus, maybe this is what the Captain A means?

If Sammy D is reading any of this look at how different listeners have a different concept of naming the shit. In particular DS, we have the same three chords, but calling it either G maj or E minor
If you know your diatonic harmony you know either key covers both sets of scales/chords

Rog
yeah it is easy because it is the same notes but from a different starting point
I don't think it's confusing at all and think it is exactly the same as Borge indicating "play C minor pentatonic"
all you do is think of starting points relative to that chord
it's harmonic generalization really
I can't think (or play) fast enough to deal with all these chords but I know they all come from Ab major.
so if I stay within Ab major regardless of what the actual chord being played is, I at least are playing 'in'.
whilst this obviously will not do for a career in being interesting :D it is IMO a very good way to get basic theory and basic improvisation tied in and under way.
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