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Re: Talk me down!

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Slowy wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:57 pm
jhyang549 wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:08 am Just strip the paint if it doesn't look or feel right to you. That should be the reason why you want to do this. Personal preference should always win over findings in science journals when it comes to guitars.
To be clear, I'm quite happy with the look of this guitar (a bit shiny but). And I'm happy with the guitar; it's the perfect vintage Strat for me. In fact, I wouldn't even be thinking about this if it wasn't such a good instrument (could it be even better? :think: ).

Because it's a brand name in excellent condition I don't feel the liberty to experiment in the way afforded by my partcasters. But If I can be convinced that something will make a good guitar even better, I'll do it.
Better to you. If you did this, it would aesthetically join your Arps very well. I personally think the tonal differences would be practically negligible. But it would have quite a impact on the looks and the feel of the instrument. Isn't that what causes people to love their guitar day-to-day? Because it looks cool and feels perfect?

I don't know. You only live once.

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Slowy wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:42 pm
olegmcnoleg wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:23 pm
jhyang549 wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:08 am

I've read that white painted guitars can affect the resonance Vs non-white painted guitars because the amount of primer that is needed is greater, hence greater dampening

But Slowy, we are talking about differences that is practically negligible and only of scientific interest. There are so many other factors of how a guitar resonates besides paint it becomes impossible to isolate.

Just strip the paint if it doesn't look or feel right to you. That should be the reason why you want to do this. Personal preference should always win over findings in science journals when it comes to guitars.
Also grain filler, which is applied to most electric guitars. Can't imagine that being resonant.

But to think of it another way... What if the finish helps to lock the vibrations inside the guitar, rather than letting them escape... not much use for an electric guitar to radiate
An excerpt from the tome Jay posted. This theory is expanded in the text but in essence it says,

".......in the acoustic guitar, the sound energy needs to travel through the body i.e. through the wood, while in
the electric guitar, the part of the sound energy that is reflected from the string to the wood is captured.

Any conjecture that, in the electric guitar, the vibration energy needs to be also fed to the guitar body as much as possible, is wrong."[/i]

Ah, wormy cans everywhere! :D
Yep, that quote sums it up nicely. You don’t really want the body to be leaking all that nice sound energy… you want it all in the strings.

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olegmcnoleg wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:02 pm
Slowy wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:42 pm
olegmcnoleg wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:23 pm

Also grain filler, which is applied to most electric guitars. Can't imagine that being resonant.

But to think of it another way... What if the finish helps to lock the vibrations inside the guitar, rather than letting them escape... not much use for an electric guitar to radiate
An excerpt from the tome Jay posted. This theory is expanded in the text but in essence it says,

".......in the acoustic guitar, the sound energy needs to travel through the body i.e. through the wood, while in
the electric guitar, the part of the sound energy that is reflected from the string to the wood is captured.

Any conjecture that, in the electric guitar, the vibration energy needs to be also fed to the guitar body as much as possible, is wrong."[/i]

Ah, wormy cans everywhere! :D
Yep, that quote sums it up nicely. You don’t really want the body to be leaking all that nice sound energy… you want it all in the strings.
Some people associate a resonating electric guitar neck/body with 'guitar goodness'
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jhyang549 wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:11 pm
Better to you. If you did this, it would aesthetically join your Arps very well. I personally think the tonal differences would be practically negligible. But it would have quite a impact on the looks and the feel of the instrument. Isn't that what causes people to love their guitar day-to-day? Because it looks cool and feels perfect?

I don't know. You only live once.
No, I'm sure I have lived several times. :P

Your logic is sound, but flawed, dear Sir. I care nothing for aesthetics. Don't get me wrong, I love a fine looking axe but it wouldn't figure in chosing to play it. (Though I confess honest wear is More Good)
These instruments are power tools to me. I want them to work to their potential but I'm not interested in changing the cosmetics without a significant tonal benefit.

The chances of which you rate as negligible so I'll put you in the 'No' column then. :D
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Jay wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:15 pm
olegmcnoleg wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:02 pm
Slowy wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:42 pm

An excerpt from the tome Jay posted. This theory is expanded in the text but in essence it says,

".......in the acoustic guitar, the sound energy needs to travel through the body i.e. through the wood, while in
the electric guitar, the part of the sound energy that is reflected from the string to the wood is captured.

Any conjecture that, in the electric guitar, the vibration energy needs to be also fed to the guitar body as much as possible, is wrong."[/i]

Ah, wormy cans everywhere! :D
Yep, that quote sums it up nicely. You don’t really want the body to be leaking all that nice sound energy… you want it all in the strings.
Some people associate a resonating electric guitar neck/body with 'guitar goodness'
Yeah. I'm one of them. :problem:

Gentlemen, you realise this is getting seriously Geeky. Just checking everyone's good with that? :rofl:
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no fuck off to tgp....
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Just keep toys as is and buy a fancy guitar from Conway. Problem solved.
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Slowy wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:25 pm
Jay wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:15 pm
olegmcnoleg wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:02 pm

Yep, that quote sums it up nicely. You don’t really want the body to be leaking all that nice sound energy… you want it all in the strings.
Some people associate a resonating electric guitar neck/body with 'guitar goodness'
Yeah. I'm one of them. :problem:

Gentlemen, you realise this is getting seriously Geeky. Just checking everyone's good with that? :rofl:
In the bad old days I would have been reemed off the forum for saying those things. Now it is safe to say that nitro was just used because the car manufacturers had plenty so why not use it on guitars.... and then it became sniffers :lol:
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Saw an s500 sell for $900 couple weeks back (me too slow), yet people trying to get $600 back on $900 tributes...... go figure.

Im presuming this is not a working gat?

A used tribute (ie natural finish) done to your taste is not on the cards or wont scratch the itch? Im getting to the age of being risk adverse ;-p. If only you could xray the block underneath haha :-)

Easily my fav strat (have started to enjoy the MFDs of late though, disliked them at first), but the bluesboy will be my next G&L.

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Slowy wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:26 am I blame Conway for this disturbance in the Force. He handed me his Novo. That thing is not just good, it's completely off the charts.
It is an outstanding guitar. That pricetag though. Almost wish I hadnt played it.

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jimi wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:50 pm
Slowy wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:26 am I blame Conway for this disturbance in the Force. He handed me his Novo. That thing is not just good, it's completely off the charts.
It is an outstanding guitar. That pricetag though. Almost wish I hadnt played it.
I told myself it's only a mid range mountain bike.
Didn't help much.
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I heat gunned off the finish on the backside of my Vintage Junior. Looks normal from the front, I figured get some oxygen into the timber.
If you did that you'd see how many bits of wood it's made with.
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Slowy wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 5:26 am I told myself it's only a mid range mountain bike.
Didn't help much.
My current reference currency is vet bills. Its 2 corneal grafts, or half a gastrocnemius reconstruction. If I didn't have to pay for those in the past 12 months I'd be able to afford it, but still don't think I could justify it.

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That novo serus price isn't too bad, our current vet bill is up to approx 9k, so I'd have change left over.
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