Its all in the fingers, or is it?

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BY Molly
#734538
Aquila Rossa wrote:
Molly wrote:
Aquila Rossa wrote:I am also going for less gain these days.


Read an interview with Zakk Wylde where he said people try his rig and are amazed at how clean his tone is. Hard to imagine but I guess a lot of it is in his attack.

When I think how mates would run two TS9s in sequence to get insane levels of gain. Certainly covered a multitude of sins.


There is that old instructional vid of Zakk's where he explains his tone. He just gets a loud ACDC type crunch and then hits it with wah and overdrive. Yeah, definitely a big part of his sound is his attack. Probably the main thing to glean from that vid is how hard he digs in and the effect it gives. How to take vibrato to the extreme too.

I was still doing the too much gain thing even back when I joined this board. Was running a MXR Dist+ and a 10 band EQ with the output gain jacked up in into the lead channel of a DSL100. BG called it a can of wasps. He was right, it was awful. When I got the 1959RR with those pedals I was thinking it did not have enough gain. Crazy. It was also too much. I later realized Randy's tone was a pretty crude and not so distorted sounding Superlead and they tidied it up at the desk and added delay etc. One reason he used Altec speakers is he wanted less distortion, because he thought he had enough from the amp. Cascaded Superlead is not very gainy by modern standards, but he gets a pretty heavy tone in some songs.

I think the extra gain when not running loud is something we get tempted to do to trick ourselves into thinking it sounds more powerful. POnly when we hear it recorded do we realized it is too much.


Love Randy's tone on SATO. Going to dig that out tomorrow.
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BY Bg
#734555
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Though I've been known to use the older style, I much prefer the speed knobs.

predictable, but I'm here all week...
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BY Bg
#734556
Aquila Rossa wrote:
Molly wrote:
Aquila Rossa wrote:I am also going for less gain these days.


Read an interview with Zakk Wylde where he said people try his rig and are amazed at how clean his tone is. Hard to imagine but I guess a lot of it is in his attack.

When I think how mates would run two TS9s in sequence to get insane levels of gain. Certainly covered a multitude of sins.


There is that old instructional vid of Zakk's where he explains his tone. He just gets a loud ACDC type crunch and then hits it with wah and overdrive. Yeah, definitely a big part of his sound is his attack. Probably the main thing to glean from that vid is how hard he digs in and the effect it gives. How to take vibrato to the extreme too.

I was still doing the too much gain thing even back when I joined this board. Was running a MXR Dist+ and a 10 band EQ with the output gain jacked up in into the lead channel of a DSL100. BG called it a can of wasps. He was right, it was awful. When I got the 1959RR with those pedals I was thinking it did not have enough gain. Crazy. It was also too much. I later realized Randy's tone was a pretty crude and not so distorted sounding Superlead and they tidied it up at the desk and added delay etc. One reason he used Altec speakers is he wanted less distortion, because he thought he had enough from the amp. Cascaded Superlead is not very gainy by modern standards, but he gets a pretty heavy tone in some songs.

I think the extra gain when not running loud is something we get tempted to do to trick ourselves into thinking it sounds more powerful. POnly when we hear it recorded do we realized it is too much.


I don't recall saying that. I remember saying something about your timing being out though :D

A lot of people, I feel, compensate for volume with gain. If you're playing loud enough to get natural overdrive from speakers and power tubes - where the gain knob is has little effect.

If you're down at reasonable levels, thats where you push the gain up to compensate.
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BY Aquila Rossa
#734561
I remember :)
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BY Mini Forklift Ⓥ
#734648
A quick recording I made on my phone a week or two ago so please excuse the quality...



I'll try to get something better up for this thread soon.
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BY Reg18
#734811
Some clipping from my phone but you get the idea.
Just installed a Mullard ECC83 in V1 and have been really stoked with the results, here's hoping it doesn't go microphonic on me!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M759MgpoM4g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvYjqRCFxAk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psiQKDmzPDI

If anyone can explain how to embed YouTube clips I'd be greatful.
Tried using the URL, tried using the share/embedding code on the youtube video pasted here, and also tried putting the URL and YouTube brackets on both types of links, I'm sure it's very simple but I can't seem to figure it out.
Last edited by Reg18 on Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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BY Bg
#734931
Reg18 wrote:Some clipping from my phone but you get the idea.
Just installed a Mullard ECC83 in V1 and have been really stoked with the results, here's hoping it doesn't go microphonic on me!








If anyone can explain how to embed YouTube clips I'd be greatful.
Tried using the URL, tried using the share/embedding code on the youtube video pasted here, and also tried putting the URL and YouTube brackets on both types of links, I'm sure it's very simple but I can't seem to figure it out.
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BY Bg
#734933
your second two url's are good, but you have to surround them with the youtube tag...
so paste in your url...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvYjqRCFxAk

select it with the old mouse

[youtube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvYjqRCFxAk [/youtube]

then click on the youtube link in the editor bar - before the Font selector

the link above I've added a space before and after the url to show what it would look like (only without the spaces!)
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BY Reg18
#734940
Bg wrote:your second two url's are good, but you have to surround them with the youtube tag...
so paste in your url...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvYjqRCFxAk

select it with the old mouse

[youtube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvYjqRCFxAk [/youtube]

then click on the youtube link in the editor bar - before the Font selector

the link above I've added a space before and after the url to show what it would look like (only without the spaces!)


Thanks BG, ill give it a go with an old video of mine. Is it because I'm using an iPad or iPhone possibly?

[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pNu8F79U6Jo[/youtube]
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BY Molly
#734945
Reg18 wrote:
Thanks BG, ill give it a go with an old video of mine. Is it because I'm using an iPad or iPhone possibly?



Just edited the link Reg. If you quote this message you can see what I've done.
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BY Bg
#734957
Reg18 wrote:
Bg wrote:your second two url's are good, but you have to surround them with the youtube tag...
so paste in your url...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvYjqRCFxAk

select it with the old mouse

[youtube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvYjqRCFxAk [/youtube]

then click on the youtube link in the editor bar - before the Font selector

the link above I've added a space before and after the url to show what it would look like (only without the spaces!)


Thanks BG, ill give it a go with an old video of mine. Is it because I'm using an iPad or iPhone possibly?

[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pNu8F79U6Jo[/youtube]


yep, if you look a that one it has the m.youtube - meaning the mobile version of youtube - the youtube tag here doesn't like that. but if you change that m.youtube to http://www.youtube it should work... here goes....

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BY mrmofo
#734968
wot`s he got in that pipe ay