Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?
I can't add a huge amount to this discussion beyond having struggled for ages to get a nice pedal + amp distortion tone that I preferred to my TSL601 self overdriven tone, I blame lack of experience to be honest and am actually liking the overdriven tones I get from my Katana so it's gotta be possible.
What I can add though is this video I spotted over the weekend and while I was going to post it in the Rig Rundown thread (which I will do anyway) it's worth posting here to see Phil Collen's view to solid state amps and fx. For someone I've known as a guitarist in the classic rock genre and being both a producer himself and a guitarist in a band famed for their studio excess, I'd have expected him to be a valve seeking tone addict. BUT it seems he's very solid state and modelled these days, and heavily endorsed by Blackstar by the look of it.
Not only does he talk of using solid state on stage and practice, but he also talks bout recording guitars digitally direct onto a mac running SW and getting great tones.
What I can add though is this video I spotted over the weekend and while I was going to post it in the Rig Rundown thread (which I will do anyway) it's worth posting here to see Phil Collen's view to solid state amps and fx. For someone I've known as a guitarist in the classic rock genre and being both a producer himself and a guitarist in a band famed for their studio excess, I'd have expected him to be a valve seeking tone addict. BUT it seems he's very solid state and modelled these days, and heavily endorsed by Blackstar by the look of it.
Not only does he talk of using solid state on stage and practice, but he also talks bout recording guitars digitally direct onto a mac running SW and getting great tones.
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?
In a word, no.
I’m in the process of trading my Deluxe Reverb for a AC30 because as wonderful as the clean is, it doesn’t do the overdrive I like, and no pedal really quite gets me there.
I’m in the process of trading my Deluxe Reverb for a AC30 because as wonderful as the clean is, it doesn’t do the overdrive I like, and no pedal really quite gets me there.
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?
You should make a pedal that gets you there.TmcB wrote:In a word, no.
I’m in the process of trading my Deluxe Reverb for a AC30 because as wonderful as the clean is, it doesn’t do the overdrive I like, and no pedal really quite gets me there.
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?
You haven't tried hard enough!!!TmcB wrote:In a word, no.
I’m in the process of trading my Deluxe Reverb for a AC30 because as wonderful as the clean is, it doesn’t do the overdrive I like, and no pedal really quite gets me there.
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?
I do of course - The Rogue is spectacular with Fenders.vintage52 wrote:You should make a pedal that gets you there.TmcB wrote:In a word, no.
I’m in the process of trading my Deluxe Reverb for a AC30 because as wonderful as the clean is, it doesn’t do the overdrive I like, and no pedal really quite gets me there.
No pedal truly nails the feel and touch sensitivity of an amp overdriving though, hence why I make my pedals to enhance an amp rather than pretend to be one.
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?
I always enjoyed watching MisterB stomp on every drive and boost he had on the board to try and keep up with my 5150 or Boogie.
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?
So in a related question - if one was to use pedals exclusively for all their OD/distortion sounds and only run through a clean channel on an amp, then does that negate the 'advantage' that tube amps have over solid state in terms of tone?
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?
Short answer from my experience is not really.
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?
Not really. Even tho the amp is running 'clean' there is still a lot of the base of the sound in that clean. Especially if the amp is pushing hard enough (edge of breakup). A nice tube clean is a beautiful thing.Shimmer wrote:So in a related question - if one was to use pedals exclusively for all their OD/distortion sounds and only run through a clean channel on an amp, then does that negate the 'advantage' that tube amps have over solid state in terms of tone?
My 2c on this topic is that no matter what's creating your drive, if you're running a tube amp, it HAS TO BE LOUD. Any pedal, no matter how expensive, will sound shit thru a quiet tube amp. I have no experience with modelling amps, but I gather the point of these is that they sound good/same at all volumes?
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?
I'm sure that volume would help. Really does in that Pete Thorn video in the OP. But I don't have the luxury of playing at volume and am impressed with the sound of the pedal regardless. Guess it'd be better loud then.Miza wrote: My 2c on this topic is that no matter what's creating your drive, if you're running a tube amp, it HAS TO BE LOUD. Any pedal, no matter how expensive, will sound shit thru a quiet tube amp. I have no experience with modelling amps, but I gather the point of these is that they sound good/same at all volumes?
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?
Molly, maybe an attenuator is what you need? Get the tubes cooking, at bedroom-friendly volumes?
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?
The Two Rock has a really useful loop level that allows you to crank the amp but rein it back in. Just not sure if you're really supposed to use it in that way. I've played it loud a couple of times. Fuck, it sounds good.Miza wrote:Molly, maybe an attenuator is what you need? Get the tubes cooking, at bedroom-friendly volumes?
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?
Even the modellers sound better loud. Not because the tone changes but everything just sounds better loud.
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?
fletcher-munson -StratMatt wrote:Even the modellers sound better loud. Not because the tone changes but everything just sounds better loud.
At low listening volumes – mid range frequencies sound more prominent, while the low and high frequency ranges seem to fall into the background.
At high listening volumes – the lows and highs sound more prominent, while the mid range seems comparatively softer.
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