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BY mrmofo
#809420
Molly wrote:
Conway wrote:
Basket Case wrote:
What's special about the 24 fretters?

Nothing much - the neck pickup is a few millimetres closer to the bridge, making it slightly less bassy, as you'd expect. The 24 fretters also tend to be spec'ed with hotter pickups. Which is why I prefer the 22 fret models.


And, a bit like an SG, it might mess with your muscle memory.

I'm not buying the 24 sound better than 22 stuff by the way. IMHO that sounds like something you might read on a forum. ;-)


the 24 fretters are hot rods, 22 fretters are more of an EV.

http://www.edroman.com/techarticles/22vs24.htm
https://forums.prsguitars.com/threads/2 ... s-24.7196/
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BY olegmcnoleg
#809423
22 or 24, the build quality will be faultless, the setup will be great and the guitar will be very stable to changes in heat/humidity. In my experience with PRS, it's just a question of getting the pickups you like. For me, that's their lower-winding models. I know people tend to be quite divided on the aesthetic of PRS, and the loud finishes. But that aside (which I can understand) they are comfortable, light, stay in tune, easy to play, versatile and super stable and reliable.

For that, I'll put up with a bit of flame and some flappy avians. :-)
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BY Molly
#809427
mrmofo wrote:
Molly wrote:
Conway wrote:Nothing much - the neck pickup is a few millimetres closer to the bridge, making it slightly less bassy, as you'd expect. The 24 fretters also tend to be spec'ed with hotter pickups. Which is why I prefer the 22 fret models.


And, a bit like an SG, it might mess with your muscle memory.

I'm not buying the 24 sound better than 22 stuff by the way. IMHO that sounds like something you might read on a forum. ;-)


the 24 fretters are hot rods, 22 fretters are more of an EV.

http://www.edroman.com/techarticles/22vs24.htm
https://forums.prsguitars.com/threads/2 ... s-24.7196/


I can really only speak from experience.
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BY mrmofo
#809431
Molly wrote:
mrmofo wrote:
Molly wrote:
And, a bit like an SG, it might mess with your muscle memory.

I'm not buying the 24 sound better than 22 stuff by the way. IMHO that sounds like something you might read on a forum. ;-)


the 24 fretters are hot rods, 22 fretters are more of an EV.

http://www.edroman.com/techarticles/22vs24.htm
https://forums.prsguitars.com/threads/2 ... s-24.7196/


I can really only speak from experience.


no more proof than Ed Roman. he believes what he says and will back it with a similar looking model made in his back room, for less.
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BY Conway
#809432
olegmcnoleg wrote:22 or 24, the build quality will be faultless, the setup will be great and the guitar will be very stable to changes in heat/humidity. In my experience with PRS, it's just a question of getting the pickups you like. For me, that's their lower-winding models. I know people tend to be quite divided on the aesthetic of PRS, and the loud finishes. But that aside (which I can understand) they are comfortable, light, stay in tune, easy to play, versatile and super stable and reliable.

For that, I'll put up with a bit of flame and some flappy avians. :-)

What you mean is the flame and birds are just the icing on the cake!
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BY codedog
#809433
The two SE models I have had were very well set up right out of the box! I can only assume the higher end models are even better?
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BY Molly
#809435
mrmofo wrote:no more proof than Ed Roman. he believes what he says and will back it with a similar looking model made in his back room, for less.


I think we dissect this stuff too much. There are so many variables.

If I were offering advice to a potential PRS buyer I'd just say buy the one that feels right. You'd be unlikely to notice a tonal difference you couldn't tweak. And don't expect a $7k guitar to be any more inspiring than a $1k guitar. There's really not much by way of correlation. Buy it because it makes you feel good or because you're listening with your eyes and you just want it. That's fair enough.
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BY mrmofo
#809439
Molly wrote:
mrmofo wrote:no more proof than Ed Roman. he believes what he says and will back it with a similar looking model made in his back room, for less.


I think we dissect this stuff too much. There are so many variables.

If I were offering advice to a potential PRS buyer I'd just say buy the one that feels right. You'd be unlikely to notice a tonal difference you couldn't tweak. And don't expect a $7k guitar to be any more inspiring than a $1k guitar. There's really not much by way of correlation. Buy it because it makes you feel good or because you're listening with your eyes and you just want it. That's fair enough.


true.
I only offered the advice I have learned from the guitars I`ve had.
I`ve owned six 22 fret PRS guitars in the last 20 years. I`ve sold all of them, after a while the thrill was gone. I now have a 24 fret model and cant believe the tonal difference.
after I heard that standard 24 I knew something was up with the 22freters.
so when I hear a person say "they look good but sound vanilla" I feel like I know what they are talking about and blame the 22 fretters for the bad name PRS have with some players.
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BY Molly
#809441
mrmofo wrote:
Molly wrote:
mrmofo wrote:no more proof than Ed Roman. he believes what he says and will back it with a similar looking model made in his back room, for less.


I think we dissect this stuff too much. There are so many variables.

If I were offering advice to a potential PRS buyer I'd just say buy the one that feels right. You'd be unlikely to notice a tonal difference you couldn't tweak. And don't expect a $7k guitar to be any more inspiring than a $1k guitar. There's really not much by way of correlation. Buy it because it makes you feel good or because you're listening with your eyes and you just want it. That's fair enough.


true.
I only offered the advice I have learned from the guitars I`ve had.
I`ve owned six 22 fret PRS guitars in the last 20 years. I`ve sold all of them, after a while the thrill was gone. I now have a 24 fret model and cant believe the tonal difference.
after I heard that standard 24 I knew something was up with the 22freters.
so when I hear a person say "they look good but sound vanilla" I feel like I know what they are talking about and blame the 22 fretters for the bad name PRS have with some players.


Fair enough. Just that within those 22/24 options there are scale length variables and other aspects too. I didn't get on with my C24 because it just didn't feel as comfortable as the 408 I had at the time. If I were shopping for a new PRS today I'd likely look at a Paul's Guitar; especially given the new wiring. But it's really unlikely I'll ever find myself standing in Rockshop counting-out $7k. Christ, I'd lose sleep over that. I'll just settle for trying the various options that pop up on TM from time to time. Most recent was a 594. I'd really like to give the SC version of that a go. :thumbup:
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BY Conway
#809444
Molly wrote:Just that within those 22/24 options there are scale length variables and other aspects too

Indeed. I wasn't that comfortable with the 24.5" scale Santana with 24 frets. Pickups make a big difference too - as I've already mentioned, the 24 fret models often have hotter pickups.
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BY mrmofo
#809446
yea, for sure but the scale length is different on the 594. hard for me to judge, I`ve not played a PRS with a Gibson scale length, if so, then 22 frets would be fine.
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BY mrmofo
#809447
Conway wrote:
Molly wrote:Just that within those 22/24 options there are scale length variables and other aspects too

Indeed. I wasn't that comfortable with the 24.5" scale Santana with 24 frets. Pickups make a big difference too - as I've already mentioned, the 24 fret models often have hotter pickups.


like one of those Les Paul Double Cuts.
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BY jeremyb
#809448
mrmofo wrote:
Molly wrote:
mrmofo wrote:no more proof than Ed Roman. he believes what he says and will back it with a similar looking model made in his back room, for less.


I think we dissect this stuff too much. There are so many variables.

If I were offering advice to a potential PRS buyer I'd just say buy the one that feels right. You'd be unlikely to notice a tonal difference you couldn't tweak. And don't expect a $7k guitar to be any more inspiring than a $1k guitar. There's really not much by way of correlation. Buy it because it makes you feel good or because you're listening with your eyes and you just want it. That's fair enough.


true.
I only offered the advice I have learned from the guitars I`ve had.
I`ve owned six 22 fret PRS guitars in the last 20 years. I`ve sold all of them, after a while the thrill was gone. I now have a 24 fret model and cant believe the tonal difference.
after I heard that standard 24 I knew something was up with the 22freters.
so when I hear a person say "they look good but sound vanilla" I feel like I know what they are talking about and blame the 22 fretters for the bad name PRS have with some players.


Having extra length in your hand makes any man feel better.
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BY Conway
#809453
Basket Case wrote:Anyone had experience with the 408? Thoughts?

Yes, a core 408 and my Private Stock is a slightly modified 408. My favourite model. The coil split system which brings in extra windings in the single coil mode is genius. :thumbup: